Ep. 295 - The 2024 Recap!
Update: 2024-12-30
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Cliff Barackman, James "Bobo" Fay, and Matt Pruitt look back at the 'squatchy moments of 2024!
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Yeah.
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And now your hosts, Cloth Berkman and James are bobo fey.
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Hello, bobo.
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Matt, how are you guys doing?
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Pretty good.
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Happy new year.
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Almost, huh?
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It's coming.
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Whether you're ready or not.
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I'm ready.
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Yeah, why not?
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24 has been good, though.
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Yeah.
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Nothing planned for me.
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Very good.
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Well, prove you're back there somewhere, aren't you?
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I am indeed celebrating the closure of an awesome year.
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2024 was indeed good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so end of the year episode.
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So we're going to be looking back at this year and hopefully again, maybe looking ahead a little bit to 2025.
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Hopefully there's a couple good things on the horizon out there.
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So what do you guys think here?
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The highlight.
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Yeah, highlights.
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I mean, a couple of the big ones for me, of course, or every year we start and we're doing it again this year is Squatch Fest in January.
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I love Squatch Fest.
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It's easily one of my favorite gigs.
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Number one, 'cause I can drive there.
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That's always a pleasure.
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It's an hour and a half from the house or something like that.
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I really appreciate that.
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But also, the roster of people coming to speak every year is just fantastic.
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Last year we had Meldrum.
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He's not going to be on it this year, I guess, but last year we had Meldrum and Matt Pruitt and a handful of other people that make my day as well.
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And a lot of people just pop by to say hi, too.
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Like, where else can you go to a conference and have Mark Marcel come by to say hi 'cause he wasn't that far away or Chris Spencer or Shane Kor-- Olympic project guys usually speak there.
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So if they have a booth, that was a great gig.
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I always look back on that one fondly and I always look ahead to that one in anticipation.
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The only thing that one of them was-- that's why I met Mark Marcel.
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I was like, look, this homeless guy in here.
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Keep an eye on him, he's probably going to steal something and it was Mark Marcel.
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I was like, no way.
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I had a great gift idea for Mark Marcel.
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I was going to-- and it's a long-term one.
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And I'd say, I don't know if Mark listens to the podcast or not, but if he does, that's sorry, Mark.
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And if you don't, good.
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Hey, strikes me as someone who does not listen to podcasts.
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That's what I think, too.
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He seems like someone who more listens to the gramophone.
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You know what I mean?
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He does.
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Yeah, one of those record players with the horn, yeah, instead of a speaker, totally.
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Yeah, I want to get him a gift.
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I want to buy him like a variety pack of socks, but then pull him out and mismatch him.
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So none of them match the other one.
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And then like, ball him up like we do, you know?
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And then I'll give him like a half dozen socks that don't match one another.
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And then the following year for his birthday, I'll give him the other half, you know, the other set that doesn't match.
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Since he matches his socks by thickness instead of color.
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He'll insist to come from the goodwill and be used.
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Well, it'll come with goodwill.
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I love that guy.
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I think if you could instantiate the Pacific Northwest into a single being, it would be Mark, Marcel.
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That's a pretty good representation, I'd say.
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Mark is great.
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That would be a good gift idea, very creative and generous.
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Yeah, it's kind of hard to believe that Squatch Fest was almost a year ago, because I feel like I was just there and just at your house.
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And now we're getting ready to do that again.
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I'm like, oh, that was like the other day.
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But now it's happening again, because it was a year ago, because it's been a crazy heck to gear.
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One other great thing about that trip is that our friends who were the, you know, the Bluff Creek Bigfoot guys, Doug Shea and Todd Samples and Carrie, you know, they came up for that trip and decided to make a day trip before Squatch Fest started and had a Sasquatch Siding before the conference.
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And then you and I and my wife Emily got to go out there with them and there were still tracks left in the ground.
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Emily got the cast, one of those tracks.
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We did a podcast episode about it.
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You know, it's kind of one of our earlier episodes in the year, episode 250.
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And so that was a super eventful weekend.
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And I guess your museum members would know like, we filmed a video at one of the secret spots one night and then filmed a lot of the stuff from that investigation with Doug and Todd and Carrie.
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And so a lot happened that week.
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- I still hadn't even, I have not even made that the footage that we got up at the Siding location into a museum video yet.
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I've been kind of crunched for time as I always am.
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And I want to make that one spectacular because not only did you and I and Emily go up there on Sunday after the event with the witnesses.
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I think I went up there three more times, at least two.
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But I think I went up there three more times afterwards and I filmed every one of them.
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And on one of them, we got a vocalization.
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Like Keith and I were there, we're on our knees looking at a track and then off the hill, something, "Wow!" And we happened to be recording video at the time.
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So much happened with that and we got so many casts and it was such an interesting circumstance because the guys didn't see it for very long but they got a good enough view.
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We found about 150 yards of tracks.
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We found hand prints.
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We found what the thing sat down in the ferns and waited for the dudes to go away.
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And then we got vocalization on the follow-up stuff.
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Yeah, so much happened.
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I've wanted to really, really focus and make that an excellent video because a lot of the time I'm doing these things kind of, I got three or four days to piece this video together and I just feel like that one deserves more time and more attention.
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So I've not been able to do that yet.
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But maybe I'll do that for the one year anniversary.
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Maybe I'll do that for the last one in January 'cause this week I'm also up against the wall.
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I have another video to make.
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So Shane Corson and I went out to a spot.
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We call it the outer rim 'cause it's pretty hard to get to and it's totally far away.
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And I started going there last May.
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We found footprints, 17 inch footprints.
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Several times up there.
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But so I brought Shane Corson up there with me and I said, "Hey, I want to show you these spots where we got these footprints."
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And we found a ton more, a ton of footprints.
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Casted like eight or nine of them that one day, three different individuals, it was fantastic.
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So that's the one I'm piecing together this week for the museum members.
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- Oh, was the story that made you send those guys that there's something that just recently happened there, right?
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- Oh, well, turns out that they wanted to go hiking at Mount St.
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Helens.
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And this is like on Wednesday, I think Thursday.
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They wanted to go hiking at Mount St.
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Helens but the weather was lousy.
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It was raining everywhere.
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So they pulled up their weather app and looked at the radar.
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And there was one little patch where there was no rain forecast.
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And it was down by Mount Hood, a sandy ridge trailhead about less than 10 miles from where I'm sitting at this very moment.
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And they said, "Well, let's go hiking there."
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We wanted to go to Mount St.
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Helens 'cause of the history on that just.
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Let's go hiking there, at least it's not convenient rain.
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And that's why they chose that spot.
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And they ran into it.
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They literally saw his asquatch late in the afternoon.
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So cool, those guys are great, man.
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Yeah, I just saw, I felt so bad.
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I just saw that small town monster who's talking to me, Alex did on the go road.
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And I was in it and those guys were in it and they're like, they're talking about their snow tracks and they were like, "Yeah, we called, we called Bolo and he actually got back to us right away."
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He occasionally answers, but not usually.
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So we knew it was a good find.
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And I was like, "Oh man, I felt so bad."
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I'm like, those guys are totally cool.
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I never like say, "I'm not gonna call those guys back."
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You know, just stuff, I don't know, like just don't follow up on time and stuff.
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But those guys are super cool.
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I want to get those guys involved in that new spot I'm going to go to on the coast.
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I'm going to do that like a, get a place we could take the quads in and like some more, there's a lot of gravel.
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We can, you know, kind of hide the tracks a little bit and get the quads in off the main road.
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Then you have a place set up there we can go do.
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So we're not trying to have to bluff creek too and a half hours, you know, like drive to 20, 30 minutes and we're there for sure.
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And Doug Todd and Carrie don't feel bad.
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Pobo doesn't always answer or return our calls either.
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I think of all my friends, you're the hardest person to get a hold of that I know, (laughs)
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I just don't have a ringer on.
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I don't carry my phone all the time.
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Yeah, when we first started doing this podcast, like five and a half years ago, I'd get your voicemail that was like, "Hey, I'm gonna be out of service for a few days.
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Just leave a voicemail, I'll get back to you."
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And so I'd call Cliff and I was like, "Hey, I tried to get a hold of Boa.
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I guess he's out in the woods, you know?"
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And Cliff was like, "Oh no, that's been his voicemail for like 10 years."
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(laughs)
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I've got to change it, I guess.
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Well, what was the thing recently?
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Like you sent me this list of a slew of ceremonial rights or rituals that you said, like I can only get texts, like if I'm in my truck on Bluetooth and I open my contacts and I click,
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so I was thinking like, I only get texts when the sun's at its zenith and my back is to the 34th parallel and my left foot is pointed west to my right foot east and I use my left thumb,
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it was a lot.
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What do you think about it?
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Think of the troubleshooting that Boa had to go through to actually discover the combination of events that needs to be aligned in order to receive a text.
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Yeah, that's what I was curious about.
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It was all happenstance.
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I wasn't trying to figure anything out.
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I mean, I was messing around with like I was in the truck and also I was like, "Well, a text came through and I could hit, but I parked the truck and didn't drive and put it in park, I could hit view and see it."
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That's all I'm saying, Doug Todd, Carrie, don't take it personally, Clifford, I don't always get responses or answers, but you know what's funny?
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This has happened to me more than once.
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I remember the last time it happened to me, I was in the theater being an Emily Wooden saw a movie.
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It's like, sometimes I'll call Boa Boa.
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Well, most times I'll call Boa Boa, he doesn't answer, but there's times when you want to talk to me and you'll call like six times a row until I answer.
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(laughing)
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Boa Boa was like, "No, you will be available now."
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That's just something exciting.
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Well, you know, getting back to the last January when we were up there at Sandy Ridge Trailhead for that sighting, again, I mentioned I went there at least two or three more times after you and Emily had left 'cause I was trying to track the animal further and in both directions where did it come from,
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where did it go to, we left some good tracks in the ground that Sunday when we were out there, so I wanted to go see if I can record those and cast those, you know, take some GPS coordinates and all that sort of stuff.
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But one of the days it was Friday, whatever, I think it was probably February 3rd or it was certainly February, whatever that Friday was after all that, I was on my way up there.
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I was, you know, you can't drive to the spot.
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You have to walk in and it wasn't that far of a walk, but it was uphill.
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It would probably half mile, three quarters of a mile or something, probably just shy of a mile, somewhere in there.
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And so I had already done, I think, two trips up with plaster, put the plaster in the ground, cast some stuff and those were drawing and I'd gone back to the car,
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maybe dropped a cast off or something.
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I don't remember.
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There's also no water down there.
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So I had to drag water up too.
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So I was, I was hoping and I was alone, I was alone.
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And I, one of these walks up there, I was pretty tired at that point.
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I was getting close to the spot.
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I was well more than a half mile in there.
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And then I get a call from a fellow researcher friend of mine.
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And I pick up because he'd call me very often.
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I go, "Hey, what's happening?"
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And he goes, "I just saw one.
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I just saw your big foot.
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I blah, blah, blah, he's freaking out, freaking out."
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And in long story short, he had just observed the two Sasquatches.
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We have been tracking in one of my other research areas for a couple of years.
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He didn't get a great look at him, but he walked in on one of the roads that we continually look at that I even found tracks there a couple of weeks ago.
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He walked in on that road 'cause he had never walked down there before, supposedly.
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He just never had gone down there.
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He always works a different area a few roads over.
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So he says, "Well, I'm gonna go down Cliffs Road today."
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So he goes down there and there's two large animals down slope in the shadows, in the cedar shadows down there, stomping and breaking branches and whatever and going back and forth.
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And he scared him really, really badly.
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Scared him really badly, actually.
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He was afraid to go back to his truck on the road because he thought they were gonna get him or something, you know, like that.
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And it sounds ridiculous right now, saying it.
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But when you're in that situation, it's not so ridiculous, honestly.
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Not at all.
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Yeah, so he was quite frightened.
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So he went back straight up the hill to the main road and took the long way around, basically.
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And then, so I think that was on the Friday or something, if I remember right.
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Maybe Thursday, I don't remember, I have to look.
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But so I got together with this guy.
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The next day, him and another friend of his that does a lot of research without there.
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And we went to the spot and I know this state because the photographs are from February 3rd.
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So I know that.
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So he must have seen it on the second.
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And we went there and we went down the slope to where he said these things were moving around.
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He said there was a big one and a smaller one.
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He said one was nine feet, one was six feet.
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But he was afraid and he was above them.
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And people are bad estimators of that sort of thing.
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Anyways, so I don't think they were quite that big.
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'Cause he'd seen the smaller one before.
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And he said six feet this time, but he had actually observed the smaller one and two four.
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And he said the thing was probably about my size a little smaller and I'm five foot eight.
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So the thing was five and a half feet tall or something, probably.
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So it's not too far from six, you know.
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And again, he was scared.
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So we expect him to exaggerate a little bit.
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So a big one and a small one, basically.
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And when we got to the site, we found sign down there where he observed these things, including a hand print on the site.
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'Cause it was a steep slope that this thing was moving back and forth with on and breaking the branches and all that sort of stuff.
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There was a hand print on the incline.
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It wasn't really good, but it was clearly a hand more than one actually.
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And then footprints going back and forth.
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And then we backtracked it down to the creek and then up the other slope and kind of found the general area where it came from before we lost it.
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And then we hiked up the creek a little bit and came back on the road that we normally hike in and out on.
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And the snow was melting away.
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It actually had melted quite a bit in the rain the previous night.
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But yeah, we found tracks.
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We found tracks and it was the same too.
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I believe it was the same too that we've been tracking for years.
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The 12 inch and the 14 inch.
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So that was really encouraging.
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And it was quite an active week.
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I thought, man, if 2024 is gonna be like this, it's gonna be a ridiculous year.
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It hasn't really proven to be that ridiculous of a year.
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There's been actually a smaller number of sightings than what we're used to.
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But two in the first like five weeks of the year was quite good, especially since I think in the first, between those two sightings alone, I think I accumulated something like 12 or 15 casts.
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So the year started with the bang.
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I'll tell you that.
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- Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
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We'll be right back after these messages.
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- I'm definitely looking forward to next year's trip in a few weeks.
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And hopefully something equally squatchy happens that we can go run around and check out and see if there's a fire where someone sees smoke.
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So to speak, that would be great.
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But it will be great to get back to the Northwest and see the NABC again and all that.
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But I got really lucky to do a lot of events with you this year 'cause there's plenty of years like we just don't see each other.
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We live, you know, you live in the Northwest.
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I live in the Southeast.
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The past don't cross, but this year we actually got to do a lot.
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We did four different events together and then we went to see a dead and company in Vegas.
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But so maybe that trend will continue to some degree.
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Although I've only committed to two speaking events next year and I'm gonna try to keep it to that.
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So I can work on other Sasquatch related projects, you know, specifically field stuff and also writing projects too.
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- What's your feel working on me, Proud?
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- North Georgia.
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- Nine out of 10 trips.
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I've still going to North Georgia these days.
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There's some other areas of like Tennessee and Kentucky.
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I like, but I've just spent so much time in so many years in North Georgia.
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I just mind as well drive the extra couple hours and get down there and be in some of my favorite spots and places I just know like the back of my hand.
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You know, like the county I grew up in alone.
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I just know so many places.
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Let alone the surrounding county.
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So try to get down there as much as possible in 2025 for sure.
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But what Squatch Fest coming up, yeah.
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I'd love to see some of these places that close finding tracks.
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'Cause we only got to go to a couple of places when I was out there.
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So I'd love to see a different spot if possible.
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They've time allows, but who knows?
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- Well, you get in kind of early on Wednesday, you know, and if we can get out of the airport kind of early, that gives us a few hours of daylight.
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I can, my spot's only an hour away, you know.
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So that's easy.
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And of course, Thursday we have that event with you at the museum.
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It's probably going to release tickets, probably around the time that this podcast airs too, by the way.
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So like maybe the last week of December is what we're kind of thinking at this point at the latest first week of January, of course.
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But on Thursday, I'll probably maybe wake up early and take you out again, or something to show you the woods.
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- There won't even be any tickets available for people that hear this.
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I don't think, "Well, there, all the members "will get them all, won't they?"
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- Well, what'll happen is that I'll release them from museum members first.
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And then I'll give them about a week to buy tickets.
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And then after that week, what we'll do is we'll open them up to the podcast members next.
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And there'll be plenty of tickets for people who want to do it.
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We can only sell about 40 tickets, a little less, actually.
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I usually limit it to about 32 or so because I've got a bunch of deadbeat friends that tend to show up.
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And I would too.
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I'm one of those deadbeats that would be happy to show up and take a free ticket.
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So like Bobo, if you show up, you're coming in for free.
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If Bart shows up, like he says, he's coming in for free.
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Usually the Olympic project guys want to come or something like that for the good speakers.
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So I try to set aside a number of deadhead tickets so to speak, free tickets.
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So I usually sell about 32 in-person tickets and they sell out pretty quick.
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With Mel Drum and Michael Freeman this past November, I think we sold something like 26 tickets to the museum members.
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'Cause a lot of our members don't live nearby.
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So they don't go that quickly.
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About 25, 26 tickets from a museum members.
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And then the last six or so would go to six or eight of them would go to podcast members.
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And so we never ever problem with that.
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But what we started doing is that we actually live stream the events now.
00:18:51
People can buy a much less expensive ticket.
00:18:56
'Cause it's, you know, we got to pay for stuff.
00:18:58
I got to pay for my employees and all this other stuff.
00:19:01
I got to sell the tickets for like 20 or 30 bucks somewhere in there to make any money whatsoever.
00:19:06
And we're not making much.
00:19:07
We mostly do these because they're cool and fun.
00:19:09
And it's a neat way to get people involved in the museum.
00:19:12
We're not making hundreds and hundreds and hundreds at dollars or anything like that.
00:19:15
Don't get me wrong.
00:19:16
But I have expenses.
00:19:17
We have to cover 'cause it is a business and then the business has to make a little something.
00:19:21
So what we've been doing to help out is we've been live streaming the events on Zoom.
00:19:26
So Niko sets up like a live stream camera and we hook the sound system into the computer.
00:19:33
And so people buy less expensive tickets and they can watch it from their living room.
00:19:38
We do it over Zoom and the Zoom level that we have, I can accommodate 99 people.
00:19:44
We've never come even close to that, even close to that.
00:19:48
So if anybody listening up, there does want to see Matt Proett speak.
00:19:52
That's a great way to do it.
00:19:53
It'll be probably like, I think we sold tickets for like eight bucks or something last time.
00:19:57
- I've done a couple of them.
00:19:59
It was cool.
00:20:00
I listened to Mark Marcel and Freemann and yeah, listen to a few of those or watch whatever.
00:20:06
It was cool.
00:20:07
I liked it.
00:20:08
It's kind of a fun way to get people in different parts of the world who can't come in person involved.
00:20:12
And of course, at the end with assuming we have time and we usually do, we take questions.
00:20:18
And people watching in their living room from North Carolina are asking questions of these people.
00:20:24
It's a neat way to interact with somebody, even if you can't attend in person.
00:20:28
So we'll be doing that again with Matt Proett on January 23rd.
00:20:31
I think it is.
00:20:33
- I do hope you'll make it up, Bobo, because it would be awesome.
00:20:35
The three of us have not done an in-person event in almost four years.
00:20:39
And so we're definitely overdue.
00:20:41
For people who talk at once or twice a week, for public consumption and more than that, like, privately on the phone, we should definitely get together in person.
00:20:49
I just think it'd be super fun.
00:20:50
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:20:52
- Well, you know, let's get back to Bigfoot thing a little bit.
00:20:54
- That's how I was thinking.
00:20:55
- Yeah, so in February, I made a pretty big score for the museum that resulted in knocking down a couple, or at least one historical hoax in exposing it.
00:21:06
The guy named Walt was selling fake stompers on eBay.
00:21:11
And a good friend of mine reached out and said, "Hey, man, are you aware of this?"
00:21:18
Then I said, "No, I never saw this before."
00:21:20
And I was looking at the stompers and they kind of looked like a Mullins stomper, like Rant Mullins, and I wasn't sure.
00:21:25
But he wanted way too much money, way too much money.
00:21:28
So, and the eBay thing says, you buy these.
00:21:31
I'll tell you how I used them and all this other stuff.
00:21:33
And it was just so intriguing.
00:21:35
So I wrote them and said, "Well, I can't afford what you're asking for them, but I'll give you this much if they don't sell."
00:21:40
- What was he asking?
00:21:42
- I think it was like 1,500 bucks.
00:21:43
Yes, kind of a lot for these things, you know?
00:21:45
And I said, "I can't afford that."
00:21:47
But, you know, the museum can't either.
00:21:49
So, but I run a museum, maybe you want these things preserved historically.
00:21:53
I can give you this much with, and he goes, "Well, I'm gonna try to sell them for this much."
00:21:59
And he did.
00:22:00
He didn't sell them, but he tried to sell them for that much.
00:22:02
And then a week or two went by, that nobody bid at all.
00:22:05
He lowered the price a little bit.
00:22:07
And I said, "Hey, my offer still stands."
00:22:08
I emailed him through eBay about it.
00:22:12
And he goes, "Well, I'm gonna try it.
00:22:13
I'll let you know."
00:22:14
And so, he didn't sell it at that price either.
00:22:16
So, he reached out to me and said, "Okay, I'll take your price."
00:22:19
Which was cool.
00:22:20
And so, I said, "Well, I can drive out to you.
00:22:23
He lived on the coast somewhere.
00:22:24
I can drive out to you and pick him up."
00:22:25
And he said, "No, no, I want to see your Bigfoot museum."
00:22:28
That's all great.
00:22:29
So, he came to the Bigfoot Museum with the Stompers.
00:22:31
Yeah, sat him down for an interview.
00:22:33
I did a taped interview.
00:22:35
One of my great volunteers in my archiving department transcribed the interview and he told me the story.
00:22:42
And he said, "Yeah, I used them in Idaho.
00:22:45
I used them in Southern Oregon."
00:22:47
And he was telling me the story.
00:22:48
And I got him from this guy's lumber company.
00:22:52
He lived in Toledo, Washington.
00:22:53
And of course, Bell started going on Toledo.
00:22:55
Well, that's where the Wallace lives.
00:22:57
But this, it looked like a Wallace stomper to me.
00:22:59
It looked like a rant Mullens.
00:23:01
But I never could figure out exactly where these stompers came from.
00:23:04
Although, I am 80% sure they are Wallace stompers.
00:23:08
Of course, the museum owns the original Wallace stompers from 1982 that he probably carved special, just for the TV spot that he did.
00:23:18
That, you know, there's a very, the famous picture of rant Mullens is in Dr.
00:23:21
Meldram's book where he's holding up these stompers.
00:23:23
We have those exact stompers in the museum.
00:23:26
And I know it's those because you can see the marks and the photographs.
00:23:29
And you can see the marks on the actual stompers.
00:23:31
And in fact, on the back of these artifacts is Rant Mullens' autograph.
00:23:35
And this is 1982.
00:23:36
And that's when the little news item popped up where Rant was talking about his pissing match with the Wallace's and stuff, about who's a better hoaxer and stuff.
00:23:46
But anyway, these look a lot like that.
00:23:49
- I'm a better lawyer than you are.
00:23:51
- I know, I know, it's like, no, you're not.
00:23:53
And the blah, blah, blah, I invented Bigfoot.
00:23:55
No, I invented, but see the whole thing with Mullens and stuff.
00:23:58
And of course we can, I don't know if we talked about that when we had Vince on the podcast back in the day from Pacific North Weird.
00:24:06
But I guess somebody promised somebody money for carving these stompers and used them.
00:24:11
And they got all the attention at newspaper coverage.
00:24:13
And I don't know, just weird attention stuff, just ego stuff.
00:24:18
But anyway, this guy's telling me about using these stompers at a shake mill down in Renton, Oregon.
00:24:24
And he's telling me the story and he's saying, yeah, there are these two kids there.
00:24:28
And there's a horse crawl.
00:24:29
And it's sounding awfully familiar.
00:24:32
And I eventually piece it together.
00:24:34
That these actually were the stompers that were used when Barbara Watson found and cast the only footprints that she'd ever founded cast.
00:24:43
And of course the museum owns the Barbara Watson collection, all of her correspondences, all of her research, all of her book notes, all of the original graphs and stuff.
00:24:53
And also the one original cast that she made.
00:24:57
So I pulled out the original cast and compared it to the stompers and sure enough, 100% match.
00:25:04
So unfortunately Barbara Watson came and went and now she's passed away.
00:25:08
And the one cast that she pulled that was an original cast of her own turns out was made by these same stompers.
00:25:15
So I thought that was fantastic.
00:25:17
I think it's fantastic to bust historical hoaxes.
00:25:21
- I think it's great that she got to go to agree for the cliff ruining her one cast she got.
00:25:25
- I know, but because of these casts, I was put in contact through a wonderful woman in Darling, Elizabeth Toledo with a member of the Wallace family and another guy who owned the logging company that this other guy who got the stompers worked for.
00:25:47
And so I went up and interviewed both of them because both these guys, one of them, that the young one was like 92.
00:25:54
And the other one was literally 101 years old.
00:25:57
There was like 200, almost 200 years of Tom Foulery in that room along with me.
00:26:02
And I interviewed them about what they knew about the hoaxing and all this other stuff.
00:26:06
And Buzzwell was the older of the two gentlemen's names, Don Buzzwell, Buzzwell, one of those two.
00:26:13
He talked about using stompers and being, and like he said a couple of the things that maybe I think it was the blue mountain tracks because the blue mountain tracks are, I think I mentioned it recently.
00:26:24
Maybe not, I thought I was on the podcast recently within mention this that I think they're probably hoaxed, right?
00:26:30
And he was mentioning pulling somebody in a car with a rope to simulate a longer step length and all this stuff on a logging side.
00:26:37
I think, oh, that's blue creek mountain, blue creek mountain tracks.
00:26:41
I said blue mountains, really.
00:26:42
I meant blue creek mountain tracks.
00:26:44
And it certainly, I said, well, was that in the bluff creek area?
00:26:46
And he goes, oh no, no, that was out by, out by Whiskeyville or somewhere.
00:26:49
So there's some, another track thing over there somewhere and he doesn't remember the date.
00:26:54
But yeah, so anyway, it was a really interesting interview with these two older gentlemen.
00:26:58
And I got to, I really kind of went in trying to find out what do you know about the blue creek mountain tracks?
00:27:04
Can we nail those down as a hoax?
00:27:06
And it turns out that both these guys knew nothing about those.
00:27:09
So even though I think they're probably hoaxed based on that line or whatever, that's in the, in the cast from that fake stomper from the Wallace's, neither of these guys knew anything about the blue creek mountain tracks at all.
00:27:20
So I tried to bust two historical hoaxes, but I only got away with one.
00:27:24
- Great work, though.
00:27:25
And that was a good find.
00:27:26
I know we chatted about that a lot back when it happened.
00:27:29
And it's super cool that you got to meet with them too.
00:27:31
I'm sure they were a cantanker.
00:27:33
It's a bunch.
00:27:34
One of them was full of smiles.
00:27:36
The other one was not.
00:27:38
- Well, if you can imagine being that like disagreeable and much of a prankster when you're young and then when you're that age and you have no F's left to give, you're probably 10 times as cantanker as you know.
00:27:50
- Oh yeah, I'll go ahead and I'll send you this picture here of the two gentlemen's, a gentleman.
00:27:55
The two gentlemen around the table and you can tell me what you think of their attitude.
00:28:00
They thought I was an idiot man for the Bigfoot thing.
00:28:03
So they're no gentlemen.
00:28:05
- Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo, we'll be right back after these messages.
00:28:12
- When I was digging back through, you know, I was scrolling through all the podcasts we had put out this year just trying to go through the year recap and looking back at things we had discussed and things that have been happening.
00:28:29
You know, we got some great witnesses this year too.
00:28:31
You know, we had Jeff Dyson, you're back and just said we had him in April or May.
00:28:35
- That was the best one.
00:28:37
Yeah, he's somebody I'd been familiar with for years and just through a member of the podcast, found out that he and I basically lived pretty close to each other and so we met up and started chatting and I was like,
00:28:50
"Hey, would you be willing to tell that story on the podcast?"
00:28:52
I'm really glad we got him kept in touch with him and hung out with it a few times since then.
00:28:58
But people really love that episode.
00:28:59
I've had a lot of people reach out and say, "Hey, if I want someone to hear about the subject "and they're not familiar with it, "and they want to hear a good signing, "that's the episode I send them."
00:29:08
So that was very cool to get him on there.
00:29:12
Yeah, a couple of dead leads too.
00:29:14
You know, I got called out to the coast for some tracks.
00:29:17
Try not to be elk tracks, but I did get to go on a boat with these dudes for a while because the tracks were across this big sand bar and a couple of them looked pretty good and a couple of them didn't look really good,
00:29:28
actually to me.
00:29:29
But this one, Bigfoot's one of those things, man, if you don't get out there, you're gonna miss some stuff.
00:29:35
You know, and that's one of the aggravating things about it.
00:29:37
I've wasted a lot of days, waste is probably too strong of a term, honestly.
00:29:42
I've spent a lot of days chasing down leads that didn't come to fruition.
00:29:46
And so I got to, I did have to go to the coast or whatever, but I did make a good contact out there.
00:29:51
Turns out this guy lives a spitten distance from months and falls, that's how the tilumook, and that's where most of the stuff happens in the tilumook area is months and falls area.
00:29:59
So this guy has eyes out for me now and kind of boots on the ground.
00:30:04
And with my phone number, so hopefully that'll turn up with something, so.
00:30:08
- Oh no, that'd be great.
00:30:09
It kind of reminds me, like we talked about in the last main show episode is, you know, some of the regrets that I have from the past are not following up on those things because I was too quick to go,
00:30:19
ah, this is probably too good to be true or this doesn't really sit right.
00:30:23
And then as time progressed and more details came out, I was like, man, that actually might have been something.
00:30:28
And I probably should have dropped everything and gone and looked.
00:30:31
'Cause there's plenty of times I have dropped everything, gone and looked, you know, like many, many, many, many times.
00:30:36
And then after enough times of that, you know, sometimes it pans out a lot of the times it doesn't, but there's only one way to know and that's just to drop everything and go look.
00:30:44
So you're still doing good work there, even if it just turns out to be elk tracks.
00:30:49
- When I was in the BFRO, like there's times repeated, like this guy sounds nuts or like on the reports, like the initial investigator say, probable hoax without even talking to the person or like the spelling and grammar would be so bad,
00:31:01
you can really hardly understand what they were saying.
00:31:03
And like, this guy sounds like an idiot, you know, then I'd follow up and I'd like, those would pay off sometimes, you're like, just following up 'cause you think it's a dead end, but then it turns out they're like a great witness,
00:31:14
you know.
00:31:15
- Absolutely, there's a couple of my favorite reports that I got from the BFRO that no one had ever taken, where someone had submitted it as a report and not a comment, but they had just said something like,
00:31:25
hey, I'd really love to talk to someone.
00:31:27
- Right.
00:31:28
- And so people never, 'cause they're like, oh, there's no information here and they move on.
00:31:32
And I was like, well, let's just see.
00:31:33
And then I'd get to talking to them.
00:31:35
And after they sort of felt it out and realized I wasn't a lunatic, they'd go, hey, man, I gotta tell you what I saw.
00:31:40
And it would be some incredible report, you know, it's just something amazing.
00:31:44
So I was glad that I followed up on those.
00:31:47
'Cause some people are just so reticent, you know, they don't necessarily want to lay all the cards on the table.
00:31:52
They're like, let me see what these people are about first.
00:31:54
And then if I feel like I can trust them, I'll tell them this thing that I saw that no one would believe under any other circumstances.
00:32:02
And so things like that are definitely worth following up on.
00:32:06
- Yeah, then I also had some things happen this year where if you didn't have recorders, you wouldn't even know there was action going on.
00:32:11
Or like, when I went out and figured with our buddy from Pennsylvania, you know, it was all super stormy.
00:32:15
It was like the biggest storms of the year.
00:32:17
Again, that week we were out.
00:32:19
And we were there.
00:32:20
We spent, not the whole night.
00:32:22
We spent several hours into one spot on the coast.
00:32:25
And he let the recorder go on.
00:32:27
We came back up the next day and showed up.
00:32:28
There was a bunch of knocks, you know, like 20 knocks over 15 minute period that came up, you know, got closer to the recorder and then just stopped when we got by the recorder.
00:32:38
But, you know, it wouldn't even have known that.
00:32:40
If you hadn't let that recorder up, go on audio, you know?
00:32:43
And up in a few times this year, the audio showed like, oh, they were around.
00:32:46
They just weren't being like aggressive or, you know, like they're not being, is loud and, you know, like whether they're trying to get the message across to leave like these, they were more just like doing their own trip,
00:32:57
not trying to engage us, you know?
00:32:59
It's cool getting another or still there.
00:33:01
- Certainly.
00:33:02
You know what I was thinking about other evidence that I had seen this year?
00:33:05
I only got to see him for a couple of minutes just because it was at a hectic event.
00:33:08
But I thought those tracks that Eric Altman cast that he brought to the Ohio Bigfoot conference were pretty compelling.
00:33:15
You know, like again, I only got to spend a couple of minutes with him, but they were very compelling to my eye.
00:33:22
- Yeah, yeah, that was really, really cool.
00:33:24
Those were probably, I'll say those were the best tracks at a Pennsylvania that I'm aware of.
00:33:30
Not a lot of stuff comes out of there, honestly.
00:33:33
- I think it happened in April or right at the first of May because that had just happened when he came to the Ohio conference, which is what, on May 4th or 5th or something like that.
00:33:42
So it was early May.
00:33:44
- Yeah, looking back in my text, it looks like I've got photographs of the originals in April 29th.
00:33:51
And I have photographs of them in the ground, I think, from just a smidge before that.
00:33:57
So yeah, April 28th, somewhere in there.
00:34:01
You know, Eric, if you're listening, by the way, I'm still waiting for my copies, no pressure.
00:34:06
But yeah, so looking for the copies of those casts, I really wanna get into those.
00:34:09
We spend a little bit of time with them at the Ohio conference.
00:34:12
Another great event, super stoked to be involved in that.
00:34:15
So yeah, I spend a little bit of time with them there, but I really, really wanna get into these things.
00:34:18
So Eric made great latex molds of these things.
00:34:21
I'm very much looking forward to putting my eyes on them and spending a little bit of time, you know, 'cause the 20 minutes with casts doesn't tell you very much.
00:34:29
Yeah, you really have to spend some time.
00:34:30
I mean, you guys have both of my garage and there's castling around everywhere.
00:34:35
And so I go out there or whatever.
00:34:37
And, you know, I get very distracted very easily.
00:34:41
So I spend five or 10 minutes looking at a cast sometimes.
00:34:44
And that's where I do most of my deep dives, my learning about what the footprints are looking like and what the nuances would be.
00:34:51
So I'm really looking forward to getting my mits on these things.
00:34:54
Yeah, we had him on the podcast shortly thereafter.
00:34:56
So if people haven't heard that episode, you wanna go listen to more of that story.
00:34:59
Just go back.
00:35:00
It would have been sometime in May, right after that.
00:35:02
I don't have the episode list in front of me, but we did have Eric on to talk about those.
00:35:06
I was super stoked too, speaking of podcast episodes to get John Zata on, because I'd love to his book in the values of the know will be on.
00:35:13
And, you know, a lot of these authors who are published through like major publishers who were not necessarily like enmeshed in the Sasquatch research community.
00:35:22
You know, it's not like a friend of a friend or something like that.
00:35:25
I'd never would have really thought about just trying to make contact somehow.
00:35:28
And so he was actually the one who initiated that because I think I had republished, maybe I hadn't republished it, but I had referenced that classic episode, a terrifying night in the Marvel Mountains,
00:35:40
which I did re-release this year through the classics.
00:35:44
And John commented on our Instagram, and he was like, oh, I'd recommended this episode to so many people.
00:35:51
And so I mess it up.
00:35:51
I was like, I'm surprised to hear that you listen because a man, I loved your book.
00:35:55
And would you be willing to come on the podcast and he was up for it?
00:35:58
And I thought that was a great episode.
00:36:00
You know, a lot of people did too.
00:36:01
So I hope it drove a lot of people to read his book if they hadn't yet, because that's such a great book.
00:36:06
He says that Jeff Dysanger interview.
00:36:08
For those comments I got this year about a podcast was the re-run of Sarah's Sighting in the Marvel Mountains.
00:36:14
People love that episode.
00:36:16
I love that episode.
00:36:17
I've listened to it multiple times.
00:36:19
Me too.
00:36:20
That's my favorite bobo surprise, because you would just say, hey, I have a witness lined up and we said, okay, and hopped on a call and started recording.
00:36:27
And then as soon as she started telling the story, I was like, oh, my God, I've heard this.
00:36:30
I've read this report before.
00:36:33
So I was just amazed to talk to her person.
00:36:35
I was like, can't believe you found this person.
00:36:36
That's amazing, dude.
00:36:38
Yeah, she was awesome.
00:36:40
Another great witness interview that we had was Irving, the guy who saw the Sasquatch at close range from his vehicle and got a really good look at his face that money maker hooked you up with Cliff.
00:36:48
Yeah, that was very kind of Matt to let us have that one.
00:36:52
And he was a great witness.
00:36:53
Holy smokes.
00:36:54
What a great look, and he's all on fire now.
00:36:57
He goes, I think he's gone back there now.
00:36:59
I haven't heard from him, but he's gone back a couple times.
00:37:03
Maybe, I know he went back initially, and then he's planning another trip, I think, before you're in.
00:37:07
So I don't know if you got back out there or not.
00:37:09
Yeah, between his episode and Jeff's episode, I think those were the two strongest, or at least two of my favorite eyewitness episodes that we had this year in 2024.
00:37:18
Yeah, Jeff's the one, I thought I want Rogan to hear, 'cause Rogan's always like, I never heard a good hunter say that, a good guy, I'd never met one,
00:37:28
or heard him, and it knows me, and it's like, well, here's one, Demi.
00:37:32
Yeah, a friend of mine, a real good guy named Alan.
00:37:34
I actually literally spoke to him this morning.
00:37:36
A good friend of mine.
00:37:38
He was, he saw one of these things in October.
00:37:41
I think it was, it was October.
00:37:42
And he asked me where to go.
00:37:44
He's gonna be down by Florence.
00:37:45
I go, oh, go to the spot over here.
00:37:46
I ran into him there before.
00:37:48
I've heard him there, at least, I think.
00:37:49
And he went there, and he saw one.
00:37:51
He saw a little guy.
00:37:53
He said about three, four feet tall or so, something like that.
00:37:56
He said, it would have been about the size of a, he said like a six, seven-year-old human, something like that.
00:38:00
He was walking, and the thing ran across his cliff.
00:38:03
I mean, it was upright.
00:38:04
It was running on two legs.
00:38:06
It was all black in color.
00:38:08
It just appeared on one side out of the bushes and dropped down to the ravine on it.
00:38:12
I don't know what it was.
00:38:13
That's like, dude, well, what else could it be?
00:38:15
What else could it be?
00:38:16
And it's like, I don't know what it was.
00:38:18
As well, it was upright.
00:38:19
It wasn't, no, no, it wasn't on four legs.
00:38:21
It was on two legs.
00:38:22
Yeah, man, listen to yourself.
00:38:24
You know what it was.
00:38:25
It's like, why would you deny yourself that, you know?
00:38:28
- Yeah.
00:38:29
I haven't said a ball, but he didn't.
00:38:32
- You heard him, Alan.
00:38:34
Bubbles says you need some balls.
00:38:36
- I mean, in general, not him, not, well, yeah, him too.
00:38:40
But all these guys, they know they're real, but they're too afraid of the heckling.
00:38:45
It's like everyone that had the settings, you know, came out, or whatever encounters they'd be, like, you know, audio encounter or really compelling tracks, whatever,
00:38:55
if everyone came forward, started talking about it.
00:38:58
It's like, you know, a fourth thing when the pilot started going public, you know?
00:39:01
It's like, both stigma lessons and lessons and more and more info and get closer to the truth.
00:39:06
- Yeah, if you scratch the surface and everybody here in the Pacific Northwest has a story or knows somebody with a story.
00:39:11
- Yeah.
00:39:12
- One of the cool things about having a big-foot museum for me, Lisa, is that you never know who's gonna come by.
00:39:17
You know, and we had a couple really notable visitors this year.
00:39:21
Maybe besides the regulators, of course, Bobo and Tin Tin were bought, worked by, and of course Matt was there.
00:39:26
Everybody knows we had Michael Freeman drop by and we did an event with Mark Marcell earlier in the year.
00:39:31
And because of that, we had the three young gentlemen who rediscovered the mind, the actual Apcanian mind.
00:39:37
We did that event.
00:39:39
But, you know, of course, both Alex and Eli from small town monsters were in the museum at various points, filming various things.
00:39:46
But old friend Randy Chase dropped by this year.
00:39:49
It's always a pleasure to see him.
00:39:51
- The wizard.
00:39:52
- No, I had to open up Facebook for something in the last couple of days and I saw Randy dressed as St.
00:39:59
Nicholas.
00:40:00
And I don't mean like Santa Claus.
00:40:01
I mean, like as a saint.
00:40:02
Like with the long red robe and the saint head on.
00:40:05
Man, that guy's so cool, so cool.
00:40:07
I love that guy.
00:40:08
Yeah, but of course we had Clyde Lewis, well known sort of paranormal radio host.
00:40:11
He's a friend of ours and he's dropped by the museum for the first time and I showed him around.
00:40:16
He's a real nice guy.
00:40:17
But probably the biggest find, I guess, or the biggest name in my opinion that came by the museum is Ron Olson.
00:40:25
Now, Ron is a huge historical figure and doesn't even realize it.
00:40:30
I'm still trying to nail him down for an interview.
00:40:31
He lives a few hours away from me, but I'm willing to make the drive.
00:40:34
Of course, he made that real schlocky bigfoot sort of pseudo-documentary.
00:40:39
Big horse trail.
00:40:42
Was it called Sasquatch?
00:40:44
Was it called Matt, you know the name?
00:40:45
- Isn't it called Sasquatch the legend of Bigfoot?
00:40:48
- Yeah, I think that's about right.
00:40:50
Yeah, from the 1970s, where these people would do a horse packing trip into some wilderness area and Cougar jumps on them and all this other stuff.
00:40:59
That they did a reenactment of the Ape Canyon stuff and it was that reenactment that put Mark Mercell on the trail back in the day.
00:41:06
And of course, Ron Olson, I wanna get the historical scoop, you know, so to speak, from what I understand and I could be incorrect, which is why I need to talk to Mr.
00:41:17
Olson about this.
00:41:19
I believe Ron Olson took over Roger Patterson's Northwest, like organization thing that he did, like his little fan club that he did back in the day.
00:41:28
I believe Ron Olson took that over from Roger Patterson when Roger passed away.
00:41:33
So I wanna find out more about that.
00:41:35
He had like an actual office for Bigfoot stuff.
00:41:38
He's the guy that initiated the Bigfoot trap down in Applegate, Oregon.
00:41:46
He has so much history in him.
00:41:49
He came in the museum one day and I was actually not even at the museum.
00:41:53
Nico, I think, called me or one of my employees and he was Nico, called me and said, "Hey, some guy named Ron Olson's here."
00:41:59
You know that name, don't you?
00:42:01
And I went, "Holy crap, hold him down."
00:42:03
I'll be there as soon as I can and I hopped in the car and went down and I met him.
00:42:06
It was fantastic, absolutely fantastic.
00:42:09
I look forward to meeting him again and sitting him down and asking him these questions.
00:42:14
I've been saying that for far too long, but again, my schedule has been pretty tightly.
00:42:18
- Yeah, and speaking of the small town monsters folks since you brought up Alex and Eli to my favorite memories from this year, I participated in two different productions with them.
00:42:28
One of which Seth directed in Western North Carolina that he made a film out of called The Ancients that was so much fun to be a part of as myself and Dr.
00:42:37
Russ Jones, for the most part, the two of us were there for everything.
00:42:40
And then some of our friends came through as like talking heads, like Adam Davies and Micah Hanks and my friend Jeff Carpenter.
00:42:47
But then Alex came out and joined Darryl Collier and I'm when we were out in the field in Georgia.
00:42:51
Darryl and I went out for a week and now one of my favorite places in Alex came out for the last few nights and he's put together a series called The Appalachian Bigfoot Files and used some of that footage in the first episode.
00:43:02
And I think he's gonna do a Georgia centric one with more of that footage, but I could be wrong about that.
00:43:06
Either way, that wouldn't have been released yet.
00:43:08
But all those small town monsters folks are so much fun to be around and always just a joy to work with it.
00:43:14
There's no pressure.
00:43:16
It's just like hanging out with great friends.
00:43:18
So, and I love the stuff that they shot there at Mount Hood in the museum and like Bobo mentioned that Go Road documentary that Alex recently released all great stuff.
00:43:27
- You know what's funny is if you don't, like I've been, I've been, I've been, I've been, you know, the YouTube home channel whatever for like a month or two.
00:43:34
And I'll click on it and I'll be like, there's nine new titles, you know?
00:43:38
And like, six weeks.
00:43:40
Let's guys pump out so much stuff, it's crazy.
00:43:42
- Oh yeah, they're super productive.
00:43:44
I mean, 'cause you've got that much talent and that many people just sort of doing their own thing all under that umbrella of small town monsters or something for everyone, you know, which is really great.
00:43:53
- Yeah, I filmed with both those guys this year.
00:43:55
I guess they're planning on something about the NAVC which would be cool.
00:43:59
That's Eli's saying and I know Alex was here and I think a day or two before Alex showed up, one of my other employees, Dave ran into Sasquatch up there.
00:44:10
He was up there with some friends of his, some of the researchers and something was knocking at him pretty close and again, Dave's the skeptic in our crowd.
00:44:19
Now, he's the guy I've told talked about him on the podcast before.
00:44:22
If Dave thinks something is true, it probably is, 'cause he'll look at footprints and go, well, that one's a great one, that one's a great one.
00:44:27
The next one, I don't know if that's one, but the one after that is a great one too.
00:44:31
So it's like number three, you doubt out of four.
00:44:33
Come on, man.
00:44:34
He's super, super skeptical.
00:44:36
So if something convinces him, something is going on.
00:44:38
So I know Alex and I went out with Dave to the spot.
00:44:41
I think a day or two after he ran into those things and we filmed out there.
00:44:46
I haven't seen it or anything like that.
00:44:48
But it's out there.
00:44:49
You people can go watch it.
00:44:50
I know we found footprints while we're out there.
00:44:52
Hopefully that made the, made the cut.
00:44:54
I don't know.
00:44:55
Yeah, everyone who listens to this podcast should be subscribed to small town monsters on YouTube.
00:44:59
They just do great stuff.
00:45:01
I imagine most of them already are.
00:45:03
Yeah, probably.
00:45:04
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
00:45:09
We'll be right back after these messages.
00:45:11
Of course, at the museum, again, we ran it out the end of the year.
00:45:20
Michael Freeman came down, did a presentation, a brand new presentation just for the NABC members.
00:45:26
That was in November.
00:45:28
And of course, we're looking forward to the museum getting our hands on and becoming the curators of the Paul Freeman collection when Dr.
00:45:35
Melodrom retires.
00:45:37
So we're looking forward to that.
00:45:38
Made it, we made an arrangement with Michael Freeman.
00:45:40
So we'll be the caretakers of those casts, the originals.
00:45:43
We already have several of the original Freeman casts in the museum in various displays.
00:45:48
So people can combine and see those in whatever they'd like.
00:45:51
But yeah, Michael and I continue to be very, very good friends and kind of plowing ahead and trying to make some plans about some possible projects in the future.
00:45:59
So as they come to fruition, I'll be able to share things with people here in the podcast.
00:46:04
I guess that's looking forward to 2025 though, I guess.
00:46:07
Very cool.
00:46:08
I know we're going to talk about some things.
00:46:09
We're looking forward to in 2025 over at the member's section on the bonus podcast there.
00:46:15
We did that last year and then we'd back and listen to that in preparation for this and some of the things we were anticipating that we're still kind of waiting on, you know, not our own projects, but projects other people working on.
00:46:26
So we're going to endeavor to get those people back on Bigfoot and Beyond to maybe give us updates on a few of those projects.
00:46:33
I can say this, we got James Fox coming up in a few weeks.
00:46:37
People love that documentary, I haven't gotten to see it yet, but a good friend of mine just watched it and said it was amazing.
00:46:42
Oh, what is it called?
00:46:43
It's out.
00:46:44
It's called the program, but you have like not who is something like that.
00:46:48
Yeah, that's some like one of those sign up services.
00:46:51
Yeah, it's on any of the video on demand services like Apple movies or Apple TV, Amazon Prime video, yeah, all that stuff.
00:47:00
Oh, I thought it was only on one thing.
00:47:02
No, no, it's available for purchase.
00:47:04
And then in two weeks from the release date, I think it'll be available for rent.
00:47:08
But you could you could purchase it right now through Amazon Apple, a lot of those big ones.
00:47:14
Well, I've been discussing, I mean, I normally wouldn't say what I think is going to happen in the future because I'm very often incorrect about that stuff.
00:47:21
But several times over the last month or two, Darby has reached out to me and mentioned the podcast.
00:47:28
He was like, I haven't forgotten Cliff.
00:47:29
We're going to set it aside to date and we want to do this.
00:47:31
He wants to come back on and just even if it's a 20 minute update, just give us an update on how that North Carolina study is going, any of the interesting things about it.
00:47:40
Because the Bigfoot community in general is rather impatient about these things.
00:47:44
He gets a lot of emails saying, what's up with this?
00:47:46
How come not whatever?
00:47:47
And it's even to the point where some people are thinking that the whole thing's fake because nothing has happened yet.
00:47:53
When the fact is, science happens very slowly.
00:47:56
He told us three to four years.
00:47:58
He said he goes, it's 33 to four years.
00:48:00
Apparently the Bigfoot community didn't get the message.
00:48:03
Because they're sending them emails constantly and saying, what is up with this?
00:48:07
What is up with this?
00:48:08
So Darby said that as soon as he gets a little bit of time, and maybe even soon actually, I think he might be on the winter break, but he does have family obligations.
00:48:16
But he has not forgotten.
00:48:18
He mentions it to me probably every two or three weeks.
00:48:21
I haven't forgot about the podcast.
00:48:23
I still want to come on.
00:48:24
You guys are going to be the people that we want to go on with and talk about some of the projects and stuff.
00:48:27
So we will be getting an update from Darby probably in the next month or two, I think.
00:48:32
Well, unfortunately, everyone wants to get academic and scientific recognition and involvement.
00:48:37
It's like, well, you got it.
00:48:39
This is what real science is like.
00:48:40
It's not like to start yelling all your early results or like what you suspect.
00:48:45
It's they're doing it the real professional academic scientific protocol.
00:48:50
Yeah, and he's extraordinarily, extraordinarily conservative about this as he should be.
00:48:57
If you rush out a study like this, and if he gets any positive results, I don't even know if he has.
00:49:01
I know he's got some interesting results, but I don't know if he's got any positive results.
00:49:05
So, and you have to be so cautious, because if he, if any of this screws up, you know, like a false positive is put out there, it's going to do more damage and good.
00:49:16
And that's the last thing he wants to do.
00:49:17
So we'll be getting some sort of update at some point.
00:49:20
That would be great.
00:49:21
I know a lot of listeners are looking forward to that because we get a lot of emails about it.
00:49:25
So that's good news.
00:49:26
So yeah, 2024 has been a great year, busy, busy.
00:49:30
I hope to be a little less busy next time.
00:49:32
But still, I'm busy with Bigfoot stuff.
00:49:34
So how bad can it be?
00:49:35
I hope 2025 produces a few more sightings.
00:49:39
I was a little, we're a little low on local sightings, in my opinion, you know, three or four or five, maybe you're something like that.
00:49:44
I'd like to have maybe one a month, like first year or two of the museum, we're getting about about one a month.
00:49:49
I think we got nine or something, local sightings the first year.
00:49:52
So a little less than one a month.
00:49:53
I hope that picks up a little bit, but I can't complain as far as footprints go.
00:49:57
And I certainly can't complain with as much as I've been getting out and finding footprints independently of anybody else.
00:50:03
So that's always a good sign.
00:50:05
When you find a footprint and nobody told you it was there, you could be fairly sure.
00:50:10
It's a reasonable chance, it's not fake.
00:50:12
So there's that.
00:50:13
So hopefully we'll just keep gathering more data and building a mountain of data to stand upon and try to draw some conclusions out of this, out of these things, see where they go, where they move.
00:50:23
And as long as I'm out there once or twice a week, you never know, and I might stumble upon one of these things.
00:50:28
And there is not a day I go out that I don't walk around with a camera literally in my hand.
00:50:32
So if I can get footage this year, that'd be awesome.
00:50:35
- Leave the camera at home clip and have a siting.
00:50:37
(laughing)
00:50:39
- Now, how would you feel, Bob, if you saw one, and I forgot the camera that day?
00:50:44
- I do not expect to ever film one during the daytime.
00:50:47
My only chances are the thermat night.
00:50:50
- Well, I know a guy who's seen him three times during the daytime in my area in 13 months.
00:50:55
- It's so quick, I'd never get the camera ready.
00:50:58
I mean, it's always so fast.
00:51:00
It's like, well, I totally got that stuff trying to get it together.
00:51:02
Turn it on, get it focused, and be like gone.
00:51:05
- That's why I carry it in my hand and not my backpack.
00:51:07
- Bobo would have a camera that only works when he's in his truck, and it's connected to Bluetooth, he's got to mute both of them.
00:51:13
(laughing)
00:51:15
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00:51:16
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Good episode