This series is all about curiosity in the search for “better ways.” And that search has taken us to some unexpected places: we’ve talked to an award winning actress; data scientists; AI ethicists; behavioral scientists; psychologists; lawyers; an auditor; and many others. We’ve also drawn inspiration from congress, religion, academia, the military, sports—and of course, from the world of business.

In this episode, Zach and Hui talk about the importance of getting out of the traditional culture, compliance, and ethics “echo chamber”; why many of the most prominent conferences on these topics (and it seems like there’s been a lot lately) fail to deliver; and they each share three unexpected sources of inspiration (from pop culture to 15th century history to modern medicine). And most importantly, they get specific; about how each of these areas inspire them—and what they teach us about our work.