What happens when your residency buddy becomes the global voice of menopause—and you've both spent 27 years growing up, growing families, and growing careers side by side?

In this episode of Heads & Tails, Kate and Jay sit down with long-time friends Dr. Mary Claire Haver and Chris Haver for a deeply personal conversation about medicine, marriage, and what it means to evolve together over decades.

Today, Dr. Mary Claire Haver is a superstar in menopause education and nutrition—

author of The New Menopause and The Galveston Diet, and the force behind a massive social media platform that has helped millions of women find evidence-based guidance through the menopause transition. But before all of that, the Havers and the Whites were just four exhausted humans trying to survive OB/GYN residency while having babies, building practices, and figuring out marriage on no sleep.

This episode pulls back the curtain on the inside story:

How friendship started in the chaos of residency—with babies, call nights, and "we're just trying to make it to tomorrow" energy

What it was really like being married to busy obstetrician-gynecologists while raising tweens and teens

Parenting teens in perimenopause: hormones, emotions, and why everyone needed a little more grace

How Mary Claire's rise as a menopause and nutrition leader reshaped roles, rhythms, and expectations in her marriage with Chris

The reality of building big, mission-driven businesses in midlife (Kate and Mary Claire) while protecting and nurturing the partnership behind the scenes

Sharing the load: how both couples have navigated caregiving for aging parents while still caring for their own marriages

Now as menopausal empty nesters—why neither couple is slowing down, and how they're intentionally planning the next 20 years of health, work, and love together

If you've ever wondered how a couple holds onto their relationship while one partner becomes a public figure—or how long-term friendships can anchor you through every season from residency to reinvention—this conversation is honest, warm, and full of hard-earned wisdom.