In this episode of The Things We Know, Kari and Lisa step into a conversation that has been simmering for a long time. Faith and Freedom explores how personal belief, public power, and democracy are colliding in ways that shape everyday life. They share personal stories about faith, talk openly about the rise of Christian nationalism, and name why the separation of church and state matters now more than ever. This is not a sermon or a debate. It is a real conversation about conviction, compassion, and protecting the space for difference — because how we live this out together will shape the kind of world we pass on.

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