In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about thought traps, about getting stuck in a loop of thinking we just can't get out of. They talk about when we get caught in a survival mindset and how it triggers our anger, frustration and fear.

And they discuss how the best chance we have is to connect and take care of one another. Hope is not found in fight and division doesn't empower us. We need proximity and to create collaboration, learning to sit with one another and listen.

This is the way of compassion. It is the way of hope. Crossing the room to love our neighbours.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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