Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they explore the evolving landscape of free speech in the US and UK, comparing the approaches of the Trump and Biden administrations. From high-profile censorship cases to the hidden influence of government on tech platforms, this episode unpacks the facts, controversies, and personal stories behind the headlines. Whether you’re interested in media, politics, or civil liberties, this conversation offers a thought-provoking look at the state of free expression today.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00 ] Hello, Simone. Today we are going to be talking about news, which is largely being covered up by mainstream nor organizations that just two weeks ago were freaking out that Trump threatened to pull Jimmy Kimmel from the air or threatened to put pressure to pull Jimmy Kimmel from the air for lying, lying.

I, I should point out, not not like a character attack that he did on somebody or disagreeing with Trump’s politics but lying. About a, a, an assassin, right? The, so you kill, right? So Trump goes, all these organizations freaking out about this. It drops literally like within four days of that we’re covering this a little late that Google admitted that the Biden administration had secretly gotten them to censor wide swaths of mildly right wing information and.

We’ll get into this very true information. [00:01:00 ] Okay. That, that we now know is what was true from a lot of studies that, that we’re gonna go over now. And I think that this fundamentally when people are like the difference between the left and the right is, is the modern right threatens to censor you for lying the moderate and left.

We will ban you without telling you or anyone else for telling the truth. If you can’t tell who the fascist is there, you know, be aware and I’ll point out like another thing that that will be a, a part of this, which I think is Im important to talk about, is sort of what’s, what’s going on with free speech in the UK right now.

And the, we’ve talked about it before, so I’m not gonna go too deep, but the complete. Degradation and subjugation of the British people. Where one person for example Gar Evans, this is in 2023 in, in five Scotland, which is where I lived in Scotland actually. Yeah. Wrote Islam is questionable on the exterior of her home [00:02:00 ] and was arrested for that.

It was her private property. It, it was, and oh, he didn’t say Islam is evil. Islam. He said, Islam is questionable. And basically the cops showed up and they go, no, it’s not, not in the uk. Now the reason why this is important to note here is if you wrote that about Christianity or if you wrote that about Judaism you would not be arrested.

And this is true. Sort of a, across the progressive sphere, which is there are classes of people that you are allowed to question and classes of people that you are not allowed to question. Yeah. And I think through that, it’s easy to form an alliance which, which I think is why the, you know, the Christian communities and the Jewish communities have come together so much.

Recently is like, Hey, they wanna get rid of you too. That, that may maybe, maybe we have some overlapping interest at the moment, Lord. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, it, it, it, it matters like a lot to me that you, you literally can’t write. And we’ll go into other instances because he was, he was [00:03:00 ] released after being in jail for a while.

But the point being is like that he was arrested at all for just saying like, can you question Islam? Like, is this, is this a thing that we’re allowed to do in this society? And was very loudly told. No. No free speech

Simone Collins: or, well, I, I shouldn’t say free speech in the UK is terrifying.

Malcolm Collins: It’s not a free country anymore.

It is a no, it is a dictatorship. Well, I, I would say it’s totalitarian non dictatorship. Like a totalitarian sort of bureaucracy. Yeah. Oh, that’s even

Simone Collins: scarier.

Malcolm Collins: It, it

Simone Collins: both is, is, is, is restrictive. But also it doesn’t get anything done like what is worse than that? At least in China they can like, I’m just gonna put the freeway there.

Tough s**t. But like, oh, I’m just gonna put the freeway there. Tough. But then, you know, in the UK it’s, it’s just everything’s slowed down by the bureaucracy and you don’t have the freedoms.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I wanna point out here to people who are like, well, you know, you’re criticizing progressives for using the government.

We’ll go to how they use the government to, to ban these platforms, to type the things that were getting banned. [00:04:00 ] You, you criticize progressives for doing this. Why do you want Trump to attempt to do the same sorts of things? And my answer is. Because they will not make it illegal if we do not also abuse it.

That that’s, that’s the, the, the fact of it when this came to the Supreme Court, that the Biden administration had done this despite people who had YouTube channels with millions of followers being shut down for saying things that were true. That. That they said no harm had come to anyone.

And so it lost at the Supreme Court. Huh? The Supreme Court justices on the progressive side are not going to say that Presidents shouldn’t be able to bully people into you know, well, we, we can do it the ethical way and they can do it the unethical way. We can just say, Hey, let’s stop the people who are actively lying.

Right? They, they, if we don’t do that. The, it never becomes illegal because the left is like, but, but you see the Right. Always resists using this. Yeah. Any, any thoughts on that point, by the way?

Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean. [00:05:00 ] The, yeah, I appreciate your, you’re arguing it that way because I see it argued in the opposite way that Trump is going to restrict free speech and then this is even bad for the right at this time, because then once the left is in power, they’re gonna use the, the precedent that Trump put in place to restrict free speech.

We literally

Malcolm Collins: just learned that the left was already doing that, but secretly,

Simone Collins: yeah, that’s the thing is I would, one, I mean I think it’s, it’s very different to, to encourage the FCC to

Malcolm Collins: ban people from blatantly lying about ease of the Rififi facts. And then, yeah, because it, and by the reason he was banned wasn’t even because he lied.

It was because he refused to admit that he lied on air and apologized for it.

Simone Collins: Well, and he still, I mean, everyone says that he released an apology video. It was very heartfelt. But he, he, he didn’t acknowledge the fact that he misrepresented. The affiliation of the assassin. And, and that’s also odd, but I [00:06:00 ] think that

Malcolm Collins: it, it’s not odd it showed an unwillingness to accept reality or to communicate truth.

Well, again, I

Simone Collins: think that, that it’s kind of, he has to, because eventually he knows he’s going off conventionally to be air. His only audience after that is going to be extreme progressives. He can’t do anything to alienate that audience like it would be, I wouldn’t, if I were him, it would be dumb. It doesn’t, it doesn’t matter.

He can’t, he can’t concede that grom. So anyway, I don’t, I don’t care about that. It’s logical what he’s done. But the government can choose who gets spectrum, who gets allocated spectrum. Yeah. In the United States, and they get to choose that. It’s for the public good. And if there is active misrepresentation of reality, that is provable.

I don’t see that as being a problem. That’s, that’s really, I don’t care, especially with the internet, do we really care that much? Who gets spectrum? I, I

Malcolm Collins: do see it as being a problem. Okay. I do see it as being a problem, but I think that the only way that you get it. [00:07:00 ] Made illegal is by abusing it because the left is already abusing these systems.

Mm-hmm. So, and, and that’s what we’ll be going over documentation about. Well, no,

Simone Collins: but it was worse though because like the, the, well the reason why you can’t just say is, is free

Malcolm Collins: Simone, the reason you can’t say what you are saying is because the left, when they banned people for telling the truth, and we now have science showing that it was the truth at the time, science, we now have proof.

That that happened, COVID experts saying that it wasn’t true. Oh. So, so the problem is, is they determine what’s true. You know, they’ll say, oh, well it is, it is. Probably true that questioning trans identities gets trans people killed, even though we know for a fact that’s not true. Mm-hmm. We know that actually in the UK when they banned access to this, unliving rates did not go up within that community.

And this is like a, we have a huge amount of data in this. So it’s factually untrue. Mm-hmm. And yet they’ll just say, well, it is true because I hired my gender expert, you know, and my, and, and, and this [00:08:00 ] person says it. You know this thing about race and we have our team of race experts and we have our team of fat studies experts.

You, you, you can’t do that, but it’s, hey, if you actually are doing it for what is true to the point where the left feels they need to react by making it illegal I think that Trump is doing this in the most ethical way a human can, which is antagonizing them over things that are actual lies so that, so that you can antagonize them into making laws around this th