Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dive into the controversy surrounding Greta Thunberg’s involvement with the Global Sumud Flotilla (GSF), the intersection of progressive movements, and the complex dynamics between various activist groups. This episode explores the rifts within the left, the overlooked genocides in Sudan and the DRC, the treatment of LGBTQ+ individuals in conflict zones, and the shifting alliances among Black, Palestinian, and LGBTQ+ activists. With candid discussion, historical context, and sharp analysis, this conversation challenges assumptions and highlights the real-world consequences of performative activism and intersectional politics.

Episode Transcript:

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be using the split up of the Flotilla that Greta Thornberg was involved in and on the board of over a person coming out as gay, and then the Muslims on it who were running a lot of stuff, whereas like, well, we won’t be part of it then.

And it it, it’s still sort of operational, but it’s having a lot of issues. We’ll be using this as a framing device to talk about. What has been happening increasingly over just the last couple months which is a split up or like a, a forced sort of reconciling in the left between. And by the way, we found some video of Greta Thornberg’s volatility here.

Dare you. How dare you.

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Malcolm Collins: . A, a reconciling of. Many people thought, and, and, and it’s sort of like every non-white group largely thought that the left was all about centering them. Mm-hmm. And they’re learning that it’s not, and while we will be talking about, one of those things we’ll be talking about is the conflict between the Black Forest part of the left and the Palestine per part of the left which is like way more gruesome than you would think specifically because.

Okay, Simone, are you aware that there are other genocides in the world that are significantly larger than if you consider Gaza a genocide than what’s going on in Gaza? Are you aware of this?

Simone Collins: Nothing’s coming up in the news. I couldn’t. Well, no, no, no, no.

Malcolm Collins: Of course. Nobody’s talking about it. None of the leftists are freaking out about it.

Credit Thornberg’s not doing anything about it. But no, there’s significant, multiple larger genocides but the largest genocide in the world right now. It’s happening in the Sudan. Do you know. Who is killing who in this genocide? No. [00:02:00 ] Arabs are killing blacks.

Simone Collins: Oh

Malcolm Collins: no.

Simone Collins: Oh,

Malcolm Collins: and you can say, oh, come on Malcolm, you must be misframing it.

So this is from an AI here, because I ask, is this actually true? Yes. The ongoing genocide in Sudan, particularly in the Darfur region, largely involves Arab dominated forces led by the rapid support forces RSF. In Allied Arab militias, perpetrating systemic atrocities against non-Arab, often referred to as black or African ethnic groups such as am Mati, fir and za.

We, I can’t pronounce this. This ethnic dimension is the core driver of the violence. So yeah,

Simone Collins: this is, I remember there being Darfur activists in

Malcolm Collins: college.

Simone Collins: Yeah, so, thousand protest

Malcolm Collins: dark four. We just stopped doing it within the current era of leftist media. Got

Simone Collins: tired of it. Or like, I don’t know. Well, no,

Malcolm Collins: we get tired of it.

This is a completely new conflict that’s happening in the same, this is a new one.

Simone Collins: Okay, so this is not the. Star four of like,

Malcolm Collins: well, obviously they’re connected, but it’s a new genocide. Yes, it is. It is. Mass murder of children, [00:03:00 ] mass graves. Really horrifying stuff. And then people will be like, well, we’re not funding this one.

And it’s like, well buckle up buddy, because guess who is funding them? The UAE and they’re doing it to get rid of the blacks in the region so that they can control the ports more easily and use it to export gold because I think they get like 80% of the gold from the region or something. We’re not gonna go too far into that.

But throughout this, what you will find, and I think that many people, they see like one dimension here where they’re like, they see the Gaza Palestine thing. And they’re like this is at odds with leftist views around gay rights, which, which we’ll get into. It is, but I think they miss how sort of unilaterally antithetical to most purported urban monoculture and leftist values.

A Arab community and specifically obviously Arab communities are different and there’s diversity within the communities. But I’m talking about dominant beliefs in these communities [00:04:00 ] are towards their other agendas like. Helping, for example, black people. And I think that we’re sort of coming to a head.

We’re also gonna talk about what has recently happened, which is a, a, a widespread movement of LGB organizations that are splitting from trans organizations and many activists recently with this idea that they are going to push like a, a divorce or a, a forced separating. To go to the, the gay stuff ‘cause you’re like, how you know, anti-gay is a place like Gaza.

Okay. So, in 2000 there were four Palestinians killed in the Gaza West Bank for just being gay. Which led to a lot of gay people in Gaza to flee to Israel, where they were accepted for asylum to protect themselves from the Gaza’s. If the Gaza’s controlled. Like Jerusalem, for example, the gay people in Jerusalem would be killed.

They’re able to go there for protection now because they are killed. In Gaza. Now what’s really wild here is we actually have like quite detailed like, like torture [00:05:00 ] and murder of, of, of gay people because of captured records that they have found of a senior Hamas commander in Gaza who was arrested beaten, placed in solitary confine before being murdered.

Predominantly because he was found to be gay. Other captured documents revealed that they tortured and killed to other gay members. Specifically for, and I love this because this is extensively documented in Hamas’ own records.

Simone Collins: Oh no.

Malcolm Collins: That these two people were killed because they gay griped, some of the Israeli captives which implies that regular gring must have been very common if they thought they could get away with gay griping and an Islamic, like, I love when people are like, oh, no, no, no, no.

Even, even though the hostages have said yes, grape is very common among the hostages, they’re like,

Simone Collins: it’s fine. Just don’t. Don’t be gay about it.

Malcolm Collins: Don’t

Simone Collins: be gay about it, guys. Oh, man. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, for the other [00:06:00 ] if you, if you wanna get an idea of like the scale of the various genocides that we’re looking at in the world right now.

The, the one that is Arabs killing Blacks in the Sudan there have been around 150,000 deaths. And around 12 million people are displaced with 11 million internal displacement, 3 million refugees.

And then if you look at the next biggest, which is again, not the Gaza War, it’s the DRC Eastern conflict. It’s had around a hundred thousand casualties 7 million refugees. And then if you look at the Gaza War, if you consider this a genocide it has. Just 64,300 casualties, which, which, which would make it about half the size of what’s going on in the Sudan right now.

And only around 1.9 million people. And keep in mind like this is, this is still a lot of people. I’m not saying that this is a good thing, but any

Simone Collins: death is tragic. But if, if we’re talking about effective altruism or tackling the, the biggest. The biggest atrocities in terms of, would

Malcolm Collins: it be much [00:07:00 ] easier to end the Sudan conflict than it would be to end the the conflict that we’re dealing with in Israel and Gaza right now?

Like, it’s a much more realistic thing to do. And this is why when you talk about something like Greta Thornberg and I, and I think this is really telling, and I wanna get into the psychology of this. Why does she climate activists decide one day not to address the biggest genocides in the world? And people will be like, well.

Just because the genocides happening in another region doesn’t mean you can’t be talking about a genocide in in this region. Right. Well, isnt

Simone Collins: she supposed to be the I of the left? I mean, right.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, she is kind of, but I, but what I wanna find here is when a leftist is like, well, you can’t complain about the genocide here.

And then say that, like, we shouldn’t be talking about the genocide here. And I’m like, I’m not saying that right. But the problem is, is I can go to your tweets, I can look at what your sort of lieutenants are doing, your Gretta thornberg’s, and not all one of them. I mean, I would argue that the tweets that the Sudan conflict is getting, despite being significantly larger is probably 0.5% of the tweets that Gaza gets from leftist activists.

So, so