Talking with author, Jasun Horsley, on navigating the first and second Matrix, mirror neurons and telepathic messages, goats and autonomy, spiritual seeking and self-invention, the pitfalls of psychedelics, Castaneda and the shamanic path, the challenges of building groups, conspiratainment and discernment, the search for authentic connection, the art of writing as a tool for connecting to the soul, the tensions of identity and integration, autism as lens for deeper substrata, Dostoevsky and embodying the psyche, the limits of knowledge and the beauty of not knowing, the bi-directionality of communication, making the ethereal tangible, sending beacons of lightness in the dark ocean of human experience, the Manuopticon, Children of Job, clearing the bush on the pathless path and more.

Excerpts

 “Changing the world is, to me, is a red herring and a really bad idea, the desire to change it. I don't see any evidence that the world changes. I think it just proceeds along certain tracks”

 “The thing about discernment is, as I've said a number of times recently, You don't need to believe anything in order to know what to do…Like we can guided by something other than belief. And that would then include knowledge. Because knowledge is, a lot of knowledge is belief. There's some knowledge that's not.”

 “If I find the right words, I will actually kind of midwife that insight into conscious awareness….I'm trying to make something unconscious conscious using language to do it.”

“ If we want to know ourselves, it's not enough just to study ourselves, you know, self examination, said Socrates, but that's not, that's not sufficient for knowing oneself. Right? We need to actually be seen by others and then see what others are seeing in us by the dialogues.

“Having a dialogue with one's soul isn't just about writing or talking to oneself. It's about talking to others and connecting to others at a deep level so that they will mirror back to us the state of our soul or the phase that our souls are in or whatever our souls are trying to let into our awareness or bring into our awareness. That's all, that all depends on some sort of group dynamic.“

“ I'm trying to send out beacons…fire beacons into the sky and hope that somebody who's out there floating on the dark ocean… shipwrecked, will see it and swim in this direction.”

Interview Time Stamps:

* 00:26 IntroductionIntroducing Jasun Horsley and the themes of spiritual seeking, writing, and navigating deeper realities.

* 05:21 Preserving the Future and ProjectsJasun discusses his “Land Made Man” project in Galicia and the importance of creating spaces for refuge and connection.

* 11:43 Spiritual Path and Writing JourneyFrom shamanism to work in the “real world”, Jasun traces his spiritual and creative evolution.

* 22:41 The Second Matrix and Spiritual SeekingExamining the traps of spiritual seeking and the illusion of escaping societal conditioning.

* 26:15 Early Wake-Up Calls and Castaneda's InfluenceJasun recounts his first transformative experiences and their connection to Castaneda’s teachings.

* 37:30 Discernment and Belief SystemsJasun discusses the importance of skepticism and the dangers of misplaced beliefs.

* 45:43 Conspiratainment and DistractionsExploring the allure and pitfalls of conspiracy theories and their role in modern culture.

* 01:14:53 Autism and PerceptionThe link between autism and deeper, more open engagement with reality.

* 01:30:03 Sending Beacons - Challenges of Social ConnectionThe struggle to find authentic connections and the hope of finding kindred souls.

* 01:46:44 The Role of MentorshipDiscussing the complexities of mentoring and the evolving dynamic between mentor and mentee.

* 01:50:11 Filmmaking, Groups, Future ProjectsJasun reflects on his film The Light of Dead Stars, the joy of teamwork, and aspirations for creative collaborations.

Links:

* Children of Job by Jasun Horsley

* Books by Jasun Horsley

Opening Song: "Freight Train" by Elizabeth Cotten / Cover by Aaron Sheppard

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