At some point in our lives, we all step into the void. Something so big happens that we struggle even to make sense of it. 

This week Andrew is in conversation with artist JESSA FAIRBROTHER about finding our way through the pain of these unwanted experiences without getting trapped in repeating loops. 

We discuss:

• How grief over the loss of her parents and experiences of infertility have shaped Jessa’s work as an artist. 


• Finding value and beauty inside the void.


• The cultural concept of the happy ending. 


• The transformative power of art. 

Jessa Fairbrother is a British visual artist whose work spans stitch, photography, performance and drawing. The body is her main material. The artist book of her work Conversations with my mother, is held in collections at Tate Britain, the V&A, London and The Museum of Fine Art, Houston. Her companion piece, Role Play (Woman with Cushion) is included in Acts of Creation: On Art and Motherhood, a Hayward Touring exhibition travelling the UK throughout 2024-2025. Jessa became an RWA Academician in 2023. In 2025 she was awarded a DYCP award from ACE to expand her interdisciplinary writing and is authoring her experimental hybrid memoir. She works from her studio in Bristol and the Wye Valley, UK.

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This week supporters will hear:

• The Healing Power of Making Things With Your Hands


• Three Things Jessa Fairbrother knows to be true. 


• AND subscribers also access all of our previous bonus content - a rich trove of insight on love, life and meaning created by Andrew and his interviewees.

Follow Up

Attend Andrew's new men's retreat, Reconnect With Yourself, this autumn in the Brandenberg countryside near Berlin 

Get Andrew’s free guide to difficult conversations with your partner: How to Tell Your Partner Difficult Things 

Visit Jessa Fairbrother’s website 

Follow Jessa Fairbrother on Instagram @jessfairbrother

Read “Letting Go of IVF”, by Jessa Fairbrother, on the Wellcome Collection website

Take a look at Andrew’s new online relationship course: My Best Relationship Tools

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