Welcome to another episode of "Osom to Know"! In today's episode we have a powerhouse of guests joining us: Jared Novack and Lukas Gächter!

➡️ Jared is a co-founder of Upstatement, a digital product studio based in the US and a member of the kyu Collective. Today he runs finance and operations, but he used to do fun stuff like build websites all night long. He started Timber in 2013 to scale the development of WordPress sites across front and back end collaborators.
➡️ Lukas has been building websites for 20 years. He runs a small design and development agency with a couple of friends in Switzerland. He works for small companies and organizations and mainly builds corporate Websites using WordPress. He discovered Timber in 2015 and started contributing to the open source project as a way of giving back to the community, driving the project forward and elevating his developer skills along the way.

They dive deep into the world of open source software development, focusing on their experiences with the Timber library. Jared shares insights into the strategic decision to open source Timber, the competitive advantage it provided, and the importance of community contributions. Lukas elaborates on the vital role of documentation, community input, and addressing underlying issues for the evolution and sustainability of open source projects. Together, they weave a compelling narrative about the intersection of open source and product development, the challenges they've faced, the community's impact, and the learning opportunities they've gained. Join us as we unravel the valuable lessons and industry insights shared by our esteemed guests. Stay tuned for a podcast episode brimming with wisdom, practical advice, and thought-provoking discussions!

00:00 Lucas faced challenges with WordPress collaboration.
05:48 Creating streamlined collaboration between designers and developers.
13:31 Consider contributing to open source, it's valuable.
20:34 Valuable communication skills in open-source development.
24:51 Lucas on structure and organization in coding.
28:00 Establishing authority through proprietary software and experience.
36:57 Comparing building software for open source versus customers: efficient or wasteful?
38:33 Customer advantage in internal messaging, product fit.
44:06 SaaS software evolves into integral ecosystem platforms.
52:48 Limiting updates to improve overall quality commitment.
01:00:01 Learning from mistakes, sharing and evolving products.
01:06:11 Focus on releasing, learning, and iterating product.
01:08:33 Enhancing PHP with stricter type checking.

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