It’s the month of love, and in this episode, Sena and Stacy sit down with the Molebatsis. Jessica, a celebrated South African fashion designer, and Wandile, a renowned actor and producer, join us for a candid conversation about love, identity, and life in the public eye as an interracial couple.

They share their journey of connection and acceptance, including the deeply personal way Jessica first met Wandile’s family—when he was recovering from a life-altering accident. As an interracial couple in a country still healing from its divided past, they reflect on South Africa’s painful history, the apartheid-era laws that once prohibited relationships like theirs, and the progress still needed to build true inclusivity.

Jessica and Wandile also discuss handling public perceptions, the intersection of their personal and professional lives, and how they use their platforms to advocate for unity, creativity, and authenticity. At the core of their journey is a commitment to love—unwavering, unapologetic, and inspiring.

Chapters:

0:00 Intro’s, Jessica paints Wandile’s nails red

08:20 How we met, our family dynamics 

15:35 “Our ancestors are so perplexed, this is Hendrik Verwoerd’s worst nightmare”

22:00 How white and black love is portrayed in the media

29:38 Portraying culture in the fashion industry 

37:05 Why can’t I be anti-racist and love a white person?

43:30 Why we need to look behind the curtain 

47:14 The rainbow nation and white privilege

53:40 “The richest man in SA’s child cannot go to school and be taught in their home language”

54:07 Privilege and shame 

01:01:40 Holding space for ignorance and cultural diplomacy 

01:06:09 We have to be dramatic and intentional.

01:08:25 Closing, next guest, Happy Valentines Day!