When does a hobby become a serious passion to monetize systematically, to live and breathe from?

In this episode of Clean Your Toilet, botanical artist and founder of InOut Atelier, Ming Kuang, sits down with Kat Aziz to unpack what it really costs to build a life around the work you love. Before he was sculpting moss into miniature worlds, he was trained in architecture — steady job, clear path, predictable future. Until he realised that the life he was building looked stable on paper… but felt hollow on the inside.

Leaving architecture wasn’t a brave leap — it was a terrifying calculation.

What if this new journey doesn’t fit me? What if I earn less than my full-time job? What if I’m wrong?

And the hardest part wasn’t money.

It was the inner demons — the voices that said you’re not good enough, your craft won’t sustain you, people won’t value what you make.

But that’s where his philosophy crystallised:

If your passion can’t pay you yet, it doesn’t mean you chose wrongly —

it means you have to hone your craft until the world can see what you see.

Through stories of clients, tiny figurines, 3D-printed memories, and the meditative quiet of moss work, Ming Kuang shares how he builds landscapes that hold people’s most intimate moments — proposals, milestones, grief, joy. And he explains why “zen” isn’t an aesthetic; it’s a discipline you earn through repetition, precision, and patience.

This conversation dives deep into:

💭 The real definition of passion (and why most people confuse it with hobby)

💭 How to decide if your passion can carry your life — or just your weekends

💭 Why inner resistance is the real battlefield, not money

💭 The emotional cost of choosing an artist’s path

💭 How to know if it’s time to leave your stable job

And at the heart of it:

Why do we spend one-third of our life working… only to be miserable?

Ming Kuang reminds us that work is not just about time. It’s about aliveness, contentment, and crafting a day — and a life — you can stand behind.

If you’ve ever:

wondered whether your passion is “enough,”

questioned if you have the discipline to make your craft sustainable,

struggled with fear, identity, or the expectations of others,

or felt torn between survival and soul…

…this conversation offers clarity, courage, and the honest, grounded truth from someone who has walked that bridge barefoot.

🧼 Your craft is the landscape.

🚽 Your insecurities are the overgrown weeds.

💩 And your inner demons? They’re the shadows you must trim back — again and again — to let your real work shine.

Clear the noise. Honour the craft. Build the life you’re meant to shape.

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