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PHLY Philadelphia Eagles PodcastScot Loeffler new Philadelphia Eagles QB coach as Jalen Hurts aims to make MVP-level leap
Scot Loeffler new Philadelphia Eagles QB coach as Jalen Hurts aims to make MVP-level leap
Update: 2025-02-28
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Nick Sirianni appears to have completed the backfilling of Kellen Moore and Doug Nussmeier’s departures with the hiring of Bowling Green head coach Scot Loeffler as Jalen Hurts and Tanner McKee’s new position coach. What kind of coach are the Eagles getting in Loeffler?
Zach Berman and Bo Wulf analyze the addition and play a spirited round of Tic-Zach-Bo with a focus on the free agents likely to land in Philadelphia and the big decisions ahead for Howie Roseman.
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(upbeat music)
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- Yeah, hello everybody and welcome to the P.H.O.Y.
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Eagles podcast on Friday afternoon.
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Well Wolfsack Berman, please to join you.
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We've got a lot to talk about since we last spoke Zach.
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It's, yeah, as all the things are happening in Indianapolis, drips and drabs coming out, Eagles have a new quarterback's coach.
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They might have a new quarterback in the division.
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And we have plenty to talk about on a nice rousing edition of Tick-Zack Bow.
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How you doing, my friend?
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- I'm doing well, excited for the show.
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Great introduction.
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- Hey, thanks, man.
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- Okay, I'm doing well, excited for the show.
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Great introduction.
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- All right.
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What a great energy at the top.
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God for me.
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- You're getting it.
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It was so stilted.
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You just, so abrupt.
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You didn't, you know, there was no toss back.
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And it was just, okay.
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So the news, the news, the Eagles are adding Scott Leffler as quarterbacks coach.
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Scott Leffler had been, the quarterback, had been the head coach at Bowen Green.
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So Bowen Green made this announcement today that their head coach is leaving to go to the Philadelphia Eagles to be the quarterbacks coach and experienced coach, like someone who's in addition to being a head coach has been a coordinator quarterback coach for,
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you know, two plus decades, multiple college programs.
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A lot of college football fans know him from his time at Michigan.
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He played at Michigan.
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He was actually a grad assistant when Tom Brady was there, close friend, worked his way up, was instrumental.
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When Chad Hennie became the freshman starting quarterback at Michigan, Scott Leffler received a lot of credit.
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He was once like the hot name and coaching.
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And then the Rich Rodriguez comes in, Michigan kind of cleans house.
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He goes to Florida.
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He since bounces around Temple Boston College.
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He was averaging a tech at one point with Aaron Moorehead, became the head coach at Bowen Green.
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Has not been particularly successful as Bowen Green's head coach.
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And so leaves for a sit, you know, it's, it's atypical that you see the head coach leave to come up position coach in the NFL.
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You typically see head coach the coordinator, but he comes for the kids on that team, don't you think?
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It's pretty late in the cycle.
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I imagine Scott Leffler felt like he was coaching for his job or was just kind of not enthused by the nature of college football.
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It's probably tough to be the Bowen Green coach right now.
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And goes to a spot where now he's the quarterback's coach for Joe and Hertz.
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So if you are of the opinion that the Eagles needed an outside voice or that the Eagles needed an experienced voice, Scott Leffler at least provides that.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know if we can say that definitively his, his offensive style is changing, is changing much here, but, but it's, it's an interesting hire for short.
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When you think of Bowen Green, who comes to mind?
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Do you have a, do you have a Bowen Green person in your head?
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Omar Jacobs, what about you?
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Omar Jacobs, interesting.
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I think I go Antonio Daniels.
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OK, are you going basketball?
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But there's not that many.
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Antonio Daniels on Karl Brooks recent.
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OK, I don't remember those.
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Prosecutors are urban Meyer teams.
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And then I remember the Greg Brandon teams.
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Because I was, I was the beat writer at UVA when they hired Greg Brandon to be the offensive coordinator.
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And of course, it seems quite a bit oral.
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Hershizer.
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Went to Bowen Green.
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I believe so.
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Good pull.
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I know he went to Cherry Hill East.
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I did not know he went to Bowen Green.
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Wow, there you go.
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Yeah, I mean, as far as a hire goes, who's just, you know, it's hard to say what what he's going to bring to the table as a quarterbacks coach, nice to see that the Eagles made the rounds.
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This is the kind of like if they were casting a wide net, you know, without, without knowing enough about Scott Leffler, to hire a college head coach as a quarterbacks coach,
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feels like on par with the kind of hire they would be looking to make, right?
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Just in terms of gravitas, the Tom Brady thing, I think is probably pretty silly.
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But it's the kind of thing that might matter to Jalen Hertz.
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Like if you're thinking of a guy like who can come in out of nowhere as a February 28 hire and command some kind of attention from Jalen Hertz in the quarterback room,
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like to tell him that it's a guy who worked with Tom Brady when he was in college like knowing the things that Jalen Hertz cares about.
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It's the kind of thing that might matter just a little bit, don't you think?
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Maybe so.
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I think if anything else, it shows, you know, it's, it's a credibility in the room when you look, you know, a Jalen Hertz grew up a big college football fan.
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Scott Leffler was Tim Tebow's offensive coordinator at Florida, right?
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He, he's, he's coached a lot of different types of quarterbacks.
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You know, Logan Thomas at Virginia Tech, but yet to your point, the Tom Brady thing's always kind of been attached to Scott Leffler's name.
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Scott Leffler was, was once like the hot college coaching candidate.
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And the Tom Brady thing was always attached to his, his, his onto his name.
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So I imagine it gives credibility in the room.
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I don't know how it affects, you know, how he coaches Jalen.
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But there is a, look, this is not, this is not like promoting your quality control coach to be the quarterback's coach or Jalen Hertz.
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This is someone who has, as I said, has been around, has been a head coach, has been an offensive coordinator.
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So there is, you know, you can hear different people and you and I have been texting different people today with different opinions on him.
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But if you're of the opinion that like they, they needed someone with some credibility, it's about Leffler, at least comes with, with the resume credibility.
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I don't, I can't tell you what he's like as a coach, but he comes with the resume credibility that if you had just went with a quality, if you promoted a quality control coach or put an assisting quarterback's coach in there,
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that guy might not have the credibility in the room that Scott Leffler has.
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There's a very funny sentence or two sentences in his, in that, in that bowling green announcement about him, says throughout his career, Leffler has coached eight quarterbacks who went on to play in the NFL.
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Tom Brady, Tim Tebow, Brian Gracie, Chad Hennie, Drew Henson, John Navar, Logan Thomas, and Anthony Brown.
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Those eight quarterbacks have won a combined 10 Super Bowl championships.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a funny one.
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I thought the funny line in there was from his temple days where it's a like Bernard Pierce average, like the eighth best yards per carry in temple district.
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Tom Brady, you know, I was like, that's, that's really stretching it out, right?
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Yeah, I mean, I think with, with, with Scott Leffler, what, what you're getting more than anything else is, is experience.
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I, that's, that's the big draw is if you thought this was an inexperient.
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If, look, Kevin Batuel lacks the play calling experience, right?
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Park's Frazier doesn't have as much experience in, in, in, in Scott Leffler, you're getting someone like I said, who's, who's been doing this since, you know, 2000 in terms of coaching as,
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as a full-time coach, even before that, as a grad assistant, working with, you know, Tom Brady.
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So I, I think there's the experience level is probably something that, that mattered to them here.
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If you're trying to sell yourself on it, you know, you think about like just the, the mental bandwidth that would come with being the head coach of a college football team and everything that you have to deal with.
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And narrowing that box to, it's not, it's not an easy job, but, you know, three or four players in the quarterback room and the things that, that they have to focus on, obviously, you need to know everything that's going on with the offense,
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you're going to be part of game planning and all that stuff.
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But like to, to change that landscape of the things you have to worry about, you would think that you can get, you can get a lot out of that.
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You're right.
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You're right.
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And, and that's important to note too, because I think there, there tends to be a leap to like looking at his offenses and his offensive styles.
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He's not calling the place here.
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He's not even installing the offense here, right?
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He's working with, obviously Kevin Quo and Nick Seriani and Parks Frazier and Jeff Stoutlin and Jamal Singleton and Aaron Morehead and Jason Michael, right?
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Like he's, he's a, he's a part of this group, but if you have someone who has different ideas, who's worked with everyone from Urban Meyer, you know,
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he's, Urban Meyer was very successful at Florida at one point, okay, just, uh, yeah, because, because, I mean, I'm not even going to say why not to kind of borrow from,
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but, but point being that he's, he's, he's that exposure to different style, to different styles.
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He has worked for and with different coaches.
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They're saying the, the chances of, uh, of one of the Eagles coaches kicking Jalen Hertz this year have risen significantly.
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It's not at all.
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What I am saying.
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No, I'm just talking about exposures to different quarterbacks, exposure to different schemes.
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He's called plays for a long time.
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Like there's, there is experience that he brings to the room, but I'm not looking at this higher, like he's bringing the Bowling Green offense.
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So like I, I saw a reference, you know, Harold Fanon Jr., who, who we'll talk about quite a bit in April is a real good tight end.
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And I saw, you know, like speculation that maybe the Eagles will use the tight end more now.
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I, I would not take that leap.
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This is a quarterbacks coach working with Jalen Hertz, bringing experience with working with multiple quarterbacks to Jalen Hertz.
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Now if you won't go on the other side, what, what would be your biggest red flags about this higher?
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Well, without knowing how he is as a coach, the biggest red flags, I would say, is probably like,
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you know, I, I tend to want the quarterbacks coach to be kind of more on the trajectory, you know, the trajectory, you know, the ascending quarterbacks coach, okay?
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Exactly.
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That tends to be more what I look for there, but the red flags without knowing who else they hire or I'm sorry, who else they interviewed, we know they interviewed an unzio,
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a caponelli.
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You can say the lack of pro experience, he's worked one year in the NFL with the Detroit Lions in 2008, other than that, it's been pretty much all college.
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So it could be that, but no, look, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm intrigued.
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I like that.
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They cast, they clearly, they clearly cast a wide net.
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This is not, this is not someone that like Nick Sireani worked with in, you know, San Diego back in 2016, who he, who he called up like this is,
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this is someone who has no crossover with Sireani has no crossover really with anyone on the staff, other than Aaron Morehead.
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And so it's, it's bringing in someone who, who, yeah, I, I guess, yeah, the only red flag would, would, would be the lack of NFL experience of anything else that that was not a particularly good lion's team.
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I see that in the chat.
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Yeah.
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That was not a particularly good lion's team.
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But, but yeah, I think you're hiring experience more than anything else.
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I, I was reading a Q and A with him from 2019, I believe it was with our former colleague, Nicole Hourbeck and you'll appreciate this.
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He went from sleeping on his couch in the office to, he took a job where he didn't even have a couch anymore.
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He just left on the floor.
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And I was, he was, he was like, his badge of honor.
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So, you know, that had to come up, that's all Sireani need to hear too.
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Sireani's, you know, because Sireani talks about like the hard work, the hard work.
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He hears that.
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He's like, you're hired man.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think you, I think you probably do have to worry a little bit that he's not Italian enough.
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Um, just, just by name, like that's, you know, you don't have to worry about that.
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I also, I mean, let's be, let's be fair here, Scott with one T, he sets the analysis only you're providing.
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You have an issue with that.
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I do.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, football coach with low T, I think is probably a red, is probably a red flag.
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Are you setting up the punch line there?
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That was pretty good.
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No, but, I mean, this is not a one true Scotsman situation, you know, it's, he's, who's your favorite Scott with one T?
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Scotland.
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I mean, SCOT as a first name and that's that that's that you're, you're, you're coaching the position where judgment is the most important thing.
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I don't know.
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Wasn't there, uh, I think Scott powered with Scott with one team.
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Am I right about that?
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I don't, was he?
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I don't think so.
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Am I wrong about that?
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There was one.
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It was a two T man.
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Uh, there was a picture at, uh, Tennessee one time.
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You're right about Scott, Paul.
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And I apologize.
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Yeah.
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There was a picture at Tennessee one time.
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I remember Scott Drucker.
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Um, he was one T, but I am not the formalist expert on the one T.
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So I, I, you got Pollard.
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That's big.
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I do remember Scott powered.
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I'm, as I said, I'm better spower than I am, um, pronouncer or, uh, so I, I do know spellings of names.
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Player one in the chat says, uh, the, the number of T's in his name made up to him.
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Like, that is true.
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I thought I mean, you could change it, but.
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I mean, how do you feel about leftler?
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All right.
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Leftler.
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I, you know, I'm, I'm into like the, uh, the, the, uh, real analysis, not as much the name analysis, but I out there for any analysis.
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What do you mean the name analysis?
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This is real analysis.
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All right.
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Feel about leftler.
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I have no opinion on his last name.
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I, I don't.
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There's.
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I have no opinion.
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What's not big?
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It's real.
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What last name would be better for you, or the last name would give you more confidence.
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A Ruzioni.
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Ah, okay.
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Yeah.
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Like the captain of the U.S.
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national team.
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Yes.
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All right.
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Um, okay.
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We have Donovan.
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He ran well yesterday.
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Tested well yesterday.
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My guy's tested well yesterday.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Uh, so.
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He goes and filled their quarterbacks coach.
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We think that they have filled the, uh, assistant offensive line coach with Greg Austin, the electoral departure report that by your understanding from Nick Sireani.
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That means there's like one spot left to fill.
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Maybe a defensive quality control guy.
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No, I think actually my, my guess is that, uh, is when Nick.
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When I heard Nick speak the other day about quarterbacks coach and two quality control.
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I don't think he was considering off assistant offensive line.
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I imagine assistant offensive lines, the like full-time staff member.
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Okay.
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So my guess is two quality control coaches, two quality control.
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Entry level guys.
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Yes.
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And as I said to you, weirdly, one of the, one of the good things about the way that you, the Eagles have built this staff.
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Under Nick Sireani is that they don't have any real coaches old enough that they're forced to hire their sons as quality control coaches.
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So they're in a good position to bring in quality candidates there.
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Sure.
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You're, yeah.
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I mean, there are fewer, uh, coaches with adult age children, other than, you know, Jeff Stoutlin and would probably be the only one there and Jake still and just fine on golf Instagram.
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He's, he's killing it right now.
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No doubt about it.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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And I'm going to say it as well.
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By the way, I don't want to limit it to the golf.
00:16:05
Yeah.
00:16:06
News elsewhere in the division, Zach, as Matthew Stafford after some heavy flirtation with the classic New York football giants is headed back to the Los Angeles Rams,
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uh, two-fold question and, and, and this also comes on the heels of Diana Rossini reporting that the giants are very heavily considering bringing in Mr.
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Dolphin himself, Aaron Rogers.
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So to, to part question one, are you worried about the Rams after, after they played the Eagles tougher on the playoffs and then any other team?
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Would you put them at the top of NFC contenders for the Eagles?
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You too, how much would you worry about, uh, Mr., uh, Mr.
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Anti-Vax joining the division?
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Yeah.
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So I'm, I'm going to tackle the second one first, uh, because I, I feel, I feel strongly about this, um, I don't, I really dislike strongly dislike what the New York giants are doing right now.
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And I think it is irresponsible, uh, uh, I might be idealistic, but I think when, when, you are the general manager of a club, you, uh, you must be the,
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the steward of the franchise.
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You have a responsibility to the franchise and to the fan base to act in the best interests of the franchise and the fan base, not in your own job security.
00:17:24
And I think I, I, I thought the pursuit of Matthew Stafford, you can potentially rationalize that.
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You get two, three years out of it.
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Any pursuit of Aaron Rogers would be done, would be a brazen attempt at simply trying to make, trying to, like, well, I see you left, trying to preserve a job.
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And that, to me, is like, if, if I was John Mara and that came across my desk, I would be, like, labor-gasted, um, by this suggestion that,
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uh, your rationalization, or not signing sake Juan Barclay is, you're not, is, is, is they weren't at the stage to do so?
00:18:03
Okay.
00:18:04
Fine.
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You can, you can at least sell me on that.
00:18:06
I mean, I agree, if you're a, um, a middling team or a rebuilding team, you don't need to spend 30 million dollars on a running back, right?
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If you're at, but, but then you can't come to me and say, you had this one draft class with Tyrone Tracy and Malik neighbors, and now you're ready to, to, to, to bring in the 40-year-old quarterback,
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all that's doing to me is job preservation.
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And that is, that is irresponsible, um, if, if you are, uh, and this, this, this, this other idea that they could pivot to trading up with the Tennessee,
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like, make up your mind.
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You're either going for the number on pick or your high, or you're signing the 40-year-old quarterback.
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Well, we can't, but, but no, so if, if you're going to sign any type of quarter, you can sell me on Sam Darnell or Justin Fields or, like, you can sell me on that part,
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you know, if you wanted to sign the guy in his 20s, if, if you were going for the bridge quarterback, right?
00:19:07
And you're going for, I don't know, you know, cousins or something like, you know, Kirkussens isn't going to cost you any, you know, let's say in theory, the Falcons cut Kirkussens, I don't know why they would hold on to them,
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but it's not going to cost you anything.
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You can draft a young quarterback.
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You have a veteran here who, who, like, can allow you to take your time.
00:19:25
What does signing Aaron Rogers do for the New York Giants other than potentially get you to a wild card spot this year and allow the GM and the head coach to keep his job?
00:19:35
To me, it is, it is irresponsible roster management.
00:19:42
The chat is, is, is just a Twitter with this performance out of you.
00:19:47
Shay says this is the, this is the Zach that Emily fell in love with.
00:19:53
I haven't heard you, I haven't heard you attack a football decision making process like this maybe ever.
00:20:00
Well, that's not, no, I'm, I'm very clear on, I, I don't like in, in general, when someone operates in their own self interest,
00:20:11
uh, when their responsibility is to the team, right?
00:20:14
I, I get it for the players, right?
00:20:16
Like, like, clearly what Matthew Stafford was doing with this whole trade thing was just trying to get a better deal out of the Los Angeles Rams.
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I get it.
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Like, that's, that's the business.
00:20:26
You know, the Rams are saying, well, you're valued at X.
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Stafford saying, all right, let me see what my market is.
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The Giants and the Rams and the Raiders are interested in him.
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Jimmy Sexton does that part of the job.
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He comes back to the Rams, they have this meeting, he says, I can get X at these other places.
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They say, okay, we'll pay you why or we'll pay you X, whatever it is.
00:20:45
Look, that's Matt, that's Matthew Stafford doing his job.
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When you were the general manager of the team, it's your responsibility to, now I, I know the pushback could, could be, you have to try to maximize winning every year,
00:20:58
but signing Aaron Rodgers, if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, I have no issue signing Aaron Rodgers in the sense that you're, you're pretty far down, you're, you're not going to get your quarterback where you are in the draft, you'll,
00:21:09
you have some, some decent talent on your, on your team.
00:21:12
You need better quarterback play.
00:21:13
It allows you, you know, a central Yip, you're just cycling from Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, you can have an issue with, with, with that, but I don't view the New York Giants as a roster that is Aaron Rodgers away from being competitive from being a Super Bowl contender.
00:21:26
I can, I see them as Aaron Rodgers away from maybe pushing to make the wild card, and that's not doing anything other than trying to, other than keeping your job.
00:21:38
A few things.
00:21:39
One, I do think it's, I think, I think buried in your, in your burial of Joe Shane there, was maybe the reason behind this,
00:21:49
which is that you are still miffed on behalf of your boy, say, Juan Barclay, but this is, this is, this is, down the road, defense of say, Juan for letting say,
00:22:00
Juan, go, when in reality, like that decision last off season was not the decision, not the reason that Joe Shane should have been fired, it was actually the decision the off season before to sign Daniel Jones and franchise say,
00:22:13
Juan Barclay, when you could have done the reverse and been in a much better situation and people were saying at the time that that would have been the better thing to do.
00:22:22
Now listen, we all watched over and over on the, the off season hard knocks last off season to know that we probably don't need to give them a lot of credit for,
00:22:33
some big operation here that did not seem like the best on the brightest.
00:22:38
However, I do think like, if we're at, if just to be a little bit fair, if we're attacking make up your mind between Aaron Rogers or trading up to the one seed, part of the silly season of right now is like,
00:22:50
they do have to explore what their options are at core fact.
00:22:53
I mean, it's reasonable for them to at least discuss Aaron Rogers as a possibility.
00:22:58
If they sign him or trade some pittance for him, then yes, that would be ridiculous.
00:23:07
I also think that it's not just Joe Shane here, as you're talking about trying to keep their jobs.
00:23:13
I mean, I think Brian Dable is a real part of this as well, right?
00:23:17
And you hear that like, well, he wants to, he wants to prove what his offense can be like that he has bona fide as a play collar.
00:23:24
And they might say like, you know, we don't, we can't get a quality evaluation of just how good Malik neighbors is and all these other guys, unless we haven't a competent quarterback at the position.
00:23:34
That is true.
00:23:35
But also, you know, the deal with the devil that you have to make to bring in Aaron Rogers as opposed to, you know, Jacobi Preset or whoever it is, it's like it is probably not worth it.
00:23:47
And it's, and it's not serious.
00:23:48
Nor classy.
00:23:49
I mean, I'll stay away from the classy part of it.
00:23:54
Like Aaron Rogers, you can, you can talk yourself into like a, you know, a guy who's been an MVP quarterback.
00:24:01
I just don't see, I just don't see how that that fits with the roster that they have.
00:24:07
You know, that's, so if, if I were the giants, I would either go trade for a quarterback.
00:24:15
And look, if you want to talk about self, if you want to talk about self preservation, trading future picks for a quarterback, it's like, if it doesn't work, those aren't your picks anyways, you know, for the GM, right?
00:24:25
Or I would, I would hedge my bet with, like I said, I like Justin Fields more than most.
00:24:32
That's fine.
00:24:33
You don't have to go to that for Justin Fields.
00:24:34
But again, like a, a Kirk Cousins type or a Russell Wilson type or someone who, well, I don't think that I don't think that a Kirk Cousins type is that different than Aaron Rogers type to be fair.
00:24:43
Oh, I, I, I do.
00:24:45
I mean, Aaron Rogers, I mean, where years, Aaron Rogers is going to play football.
00:24:49
Well, yeah, but you're not signing Kirk Cousins to be your quarterback beyond this year.
00:24:53
Either.
00:24:54
Aaron, right.
00:24:55
I'm Kirk Cousins couldn't theory give you two, three years and that like it's, you're not signed it, but also Kirk Cousins isn't costing you anything either because he has that guaranteed money from the Falcons, right?
00:25:05
So.
00:25:06
But wouldn't it be the same.
00:25:07
I guess Rogers.
00:25:08
Aaron Rogers.
00:25:09
What's that?
00:25:10
If they cut Rogers, it wouldn't be this day.
00:25:11
Yeah.
00:25:12
True, true.
00:25:13
Look, I guess I, I need to reserve the bottom line is, is, this is goodness for the Eagles.
00:25:18
Like, yes, they are, they remain in a division where at least one and usually between one and three teams are completely on serious.
00:25:28
And so it's a, it's a huge advantage that they have all set.
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Nice.
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Um, question.
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Let's stick on the Giants very quickly.
00:28:30
So what do we got here?
00:28:33
Oh, Medio says is there a book announcement coming or draft analysis sounds like the beginning of a ZB heater?
00:28:40
People, people enjoy that you're, you're, you're coming hard to the hole the last two episodes.
00:28:45
Um, thank you, I suppose a book announcement regarding a book I'm reading or book I'm writing.
00:28:52
I missed.
00:28:53
Yeah, I missed that last week.
00:28:55
Book I'm writing.
00:28:56
Look, I know I've been cryptic, I'm purposely cryptic here when the time is right to announce something.
00:29:01
Perhaps I will announce something.
00:29:03
I'm not at that juncture when I can do that yet.
00:29:07
As far as draft analysis.
00:29:10
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
00:29:11
There's a lot of free history analysis.
00:29:12
Um, I'm excited for some of those work coming up here, but I got to say my, the, um, the favorite, my favorite piece that I write every year.
00:29:23
I've been doing it for five years now is if I were Howie Roseman, which once again, it's probably creeping out Howie Roseman that this is my favorite piece that I'm writing.
00:29:32
But I, I do this each year like how, how I would tackle the all season if I were Howie Roseman.
00:29:37
And that's going to come out next week.
00:29:38
I will.
00:29:39
For 500 piece every year.
00:29:42
My favorite piece of analysis that I write, yeah, like I like, I'm, yeah, it's my favorite piece of analysis because I, uh, I think that what I like about that, if I'm being like honest,
00:29:52
is I think it, it, it shows like, um, insight on the team.
00:29:56
It shows insight on the league.
00:29:57
I really want to try to show that I know this league quite a bit.
00:30:01
That's something I take pride in and this is a chance for me to do it.
00:30:05
I've grown as many pieces where I'm doing as much the league wide stuff and like recognizing free agency, identifying free, you know, identifying specific free agents and, and range of trade targets,
00:30:15
uh, knowing kind of the way the league operates.
00:30:18
Yeah, I take pride in that piece.
00:30:19
The par hands of the world.
00:30:22
Well, that, that, that did not come to fruition, but I mean, I, I do feel as I look back my piece from last year, I was, I was pretty, uh, you know,
00:30:32
I had a pretty good beat on like, what the markets would, would, would be.
00:30:37
Um, I was wrong about how the Eagles would spend at, at running back.
00:30:42
I did say, if say Juan Barclays within like your range, that's the type of player you should go after.
00:30:48
Um, but I, I mentioned Bryce Huffen there.
00:30:50
I was wrong about the player, but I was, I was, I was, I was right about the target.
00:30:53
Uh, I, the way they, they navigated, they, you know, I, I said they need to come out of the draft with a day to pick the following year, which they did.
00:31:02
And then they ended up trading one for Johan Dodson.
00:31:05
Um, yeah.
00:31:06
So I, I, I, I, I enjoyed doing that, that piece, can we do a little, uh, a little inside football here?
00:31:13
Sure.
00:31:14
When's that bad boy going up?
00:31:15
Uh, so this is going to be a 25 step guide for Howie Roseman this year.
00:31:21
Wow.
00:31:22
Okay.
00:31:23
Up from 15 last year.
00:31:24
And honestly, it's, it's one of those things where we'll kind of correspond with the show schedule.
00:31:28
So it could be as soon as Monday.
00:31:30
It could be as late as the following Monday.
00:31:32
It could be Friday next week.
00:31:34
It's the type of thing where we should, you know, I, I wanted to, it doesn't have to be the same day that it, that we talked about it on the show, but I don't want it to be like, it comes out on Monday and we talked about it on Friday or the,
00:31:46
so it would kind of probably be the, uh, uh, corresponding, we can do it for Monday.
00:31:51
If you, if, if you want to make it for Monday, we can make that Monday show.
00:31:56
Uh, yeah.
00:31:57
Let's, let's, um, we can plan on that.
00:31:59
Yeah.
00:32:00
Let's make it for a Monday show.
00:32:01
Yeah.
00:32:02
Okay.
00:32:03
We'll, we'll figure that out afterwards.
00:32:04
Okay.
00:32:05
All right.
00:32:06
Tick Zack Bow.
00:32:07
Tick Zack Bow.
00:32:08
Yeah.
00:32:09
So, uh, for those who remember during the summer, this was a game.
00:32:10
We invented where, um, it is a grade.
00:32:13
Okay.
00:32:14
And X access, oh, I access.
00:32:21
Okay.
00:32:21
Um, along the, uh, let's say the Y access here, there's going to be free agency draft and Eagles roster.
00:32:25
Along the X access, there's, would you rather convince me and predict the future?
00:32:29
Uh, so this is just a vehicle for us to have these conversations, but I will leave this up to you.
00:32:35
Which one do you want to go with free agency draft Eagles roster?
00:32:38
Would you rather convince me to predict the future?
00:32:40
Um, now, well, you know, I'm going to leave it alone.
00:32:44
Uh, let's go Eagles roster.
00:32:50
Would you rather Eagles roster?
00:32:52
Would you rather would you rather resign as they are Rogers?
00:32:56
Or resign can he gain well?
00:33:00
Now obviously depends on, on the price.
00:33:03
So give me basic, but say like basically a little bit above what their market turns out to be like.
00:33:10
Yes.
00:33:11
Would I prioritize?
00:33:12
Yes.
00:33:13
Who would you prioritize?
00:33:14
Would you prioritize the number two running back in the event that Sequan goes down to or would you prioritize the cornerback who could kind of compete with Keely Ringo?
00:33:26
You're in, in both cases, you have a fourth round pick from recent years, Keely Ringo, from two years ago, a cornerback will shiply last year at running backs.
00:33:35
That said, that's kind of the impetus of it.
00:33:37
You're looking similar age profile.
00:33:39
You have more depth of corner, but you play two guys.
00:33:42
You have less depth of running back, but you have one established guy.
00:33:47
Kenny Gainwell has more special teams value.
00:33:50
So that's that's that's that's kind of outlining it.
00:33:52
Who would you go with at market price?
00:33:55
Yeah.
00:33:56
This is pretty clearly Isaiah Rogers to me.
00:33:59
It depends.
00:34:00
I think he's more likely.
00:34:02
It's possible that he gets a real offer somewhere.
00:34:04
There is also some confusion about what his status is.
00:34:06
He's listed as an RFA.
00:34:08
It doesn't, it doesn't look like he should be an RFA.
00:34:12
It looks like he should be a season, but assuming that he's not going for starting corner money, which it's possible somebody views him as,
00:34:22
and he certainly played very well when he was called upon this season.
00:34:26
Yeah.
00:34:27
I think that I think that is the right level of investment they should make at cornerback knowing that you have Ringo Dijin and Quinnon Mitchell on rookie contracts.
00:34:36
You would feel pretty good about that group.
00:34:39
Assuming Slay moves on with those four guys, you know, you could do, you could do a little bit better, I guess.
00:34:45
But to me, that one is, is kind of a no brainer with, with Gainwell, you know, I don't, I don't like him as much as Nick Seriani does, but I like him, I like him quite a bit.
00:34:57
But that's one where like if we're a month into free agency and he hasn't signed yet, we're happy to have him back.
00:35:04
But I don't think you're prioritizing bringing a Kenny Gainwell back.
00:35:07
I think you could, whether that is, wait and see what happens in the draft and it's another fourth or fifth or sixth round pick that you had to compete with Will Shipley, or you don't come out of the draft with a running back and there's somebody still available who's a veteran,
00:35:21
or you believe in sweet, sweet Lou.
00:35:24
I think you're feeling pretty good about about the running back position with that Kenny Gainwell.
00:35:30
And I don't, I don't really think that that one's particularly close.
00:35:32
What about you?
00:35:33
Yeah, I mean Rodgers is the way I wouldn't, I would want to go, but, but when I was thinking about this question, one of the things I was, I was wondering was, would you rather have an easier path to playing time for Keely Ringo or for Will Shipley?
00:35:51
Yeah, but I think it's less about the path to playing time and more about the, what if they, what if they fall?
00:35:59
What if they aren't up to the moment?
00:36:02
And would I rather have a safe backboard for Keely Ringo or a safe backboard for Will Shipley?
00:36:08
It's definitely Keely Ringo.
00:36:10
Definitely.
00:36:11
Don't you think?
00:36:12
I mean, we're talking about a starting corner or the number to run back.
00:36:15
Yeah.
00:36:16
And unless, and I do think one of the questions that's offseason, this is more of a may question than a March question, but do they have aspirations of Cooper the gene as an outside corner?
00:36:29
Is Cooper the gene going to be the slot here going for it?
00:36:31
Is he so good at it?
00:36:33
But I know when they drafted him, one of the things they thought is this guy could be on the outside.
00:36:38
So do you?
00:36:39
And Vic said as much this fall that he is an outside corner, right?
00:36:44
Yeah.
00:36:45
It's going to be interesting.
00:36:47
He's so good in there and he's so important to everything that they do that.
00:36:50
I mean, listen, they don't play a lot of base.
00:36:52
You're talking about like five snaps of game at most, probably.
00:36:58
He can play on the outside of those five snaps.
00:37:00
Yeah.
00:37:01
And it's why, like if you're looking at who might they sign, you know, like a guy who is better inside to me is not, it's not the kind of thing that they would go for.
00:37:11
But I could be wrong.
00:37:12
No, but if, let's say there's a slot, I mean, you can add a good slot corner into fourth, fifth round of the draft, right?
00:37:18
Sure.
00:37:19
So what if they say a high level starting corner is a $15 million a year guy?
00:37:27
If you have, you know, two rook, you know, or two guys on rookie contracts who are high level starting corners, if they view that with, with, with the gene and they say we can figure out the slot.
00:37:37
We can find a slot.
00:37:39
Let's, let's like turn this, let's, let's have these two corners that we're building around the new Lido and Sheldon, but, you know, that, that's just, we, we look at it like Cooper the Gene was so good in the slot.
00:37:52
I just wonder if, if they're saying long term, let's peel off this bandaid now.
00:37:57
And let's turn the outside job over to Cooper the Gene.
00:38:00
Yeah.
00:38:01
I mean, that's possible.
00:38:05
And it's also, it could also be the kind of thing where you, it's, use your fourth round pick on a, on a nickel type corner, right?
00:38:12
And so then it's, it's almost like he's competing with Keely Ringo and you're, and Cooper Gene can fill in whichever hole is needed.
00:38:21
It gives you some optionality.
00:38:23
Presumably, they would want to back up there anyway, like I, we don't think they're going to bring a Vantai Maddox back.
00:38:27
So it, well, that is an interesting, it's an interesting thought experiment went to one more before the outbreak here.
00:38:34
Let's do one before the outbreak.
00:38:35
Let's do, uh, convince me draft, convince me draft, okay.
00:38:42
Why shouldn't a, a, a non long term injury matter this time of year, you know, and the conversation being like a little Carter, you saw that with landed Dickerson a few years ago,
00:38:55
you saw that even Cooper, the gene last year, um, should a team, if, if the guy's not going to miss the year, if it's not like a Sydney Jones injury, okay?
00:39:05
But maybe he misses part of the offseason program, maybe he even missed his training camp.
00:39:10
Should that matter in your evaluation of the player?
00:39:13
Uh, well, I don't think it matter.
00:39:17
This is kind of like a, uh, a question for the GM and how you stack the board and not in the evaluation of the player, right?
00:39:23
I think, I think you don't, it doesn't change how you evaluate the player on tape and then you're right up of his strengths and weaknesses and, you know, how you project him moving forward.
00:39:32
But I think it changes the evaluation a little bit, um, maybe if you're breaking ties, right?
00:39:37
Because, um, without knowing the specific injury we're talking about, like, is it the kind of thing that, that can be re-injured?
00:39:44
Is it a sign that this player is a little bit injury prone?
00:39:48
Like, as a part of a larger picture of him having suffered other injuries in the past, um, the thing that I would not convince you on is, and what you're hinting at, like, for instance,
00:39:59
the kool-predigine situation, which was actually just an offseason injury that, um, hampered him.
00:40:04
But I don't think that you should shy away.
00:40:05
I was hurt during the combine last year.
00:40:07
No, I know.
00:40:08
But, but the, if your concern is, well, he's probably going to miss some time during training camp and that's going to put him behind the eight ball developmentally.
00:40:16
I don't think you should worry about that.
00:40:17
I think you're, you should, you should never be really drafting for this year.
00:40:22
You should be drafting for a big picture and you should be, you should be in an organization where you can trust the player development process.
00:40:30
So, um, I wouldn't, I wouldn't overvalue that.
00:40:33
I just think it's part of the, the larger picture on, on the, the, the person.
00:40:38
I was thinking about this in regards to Abdul Carter and, like, obviously, he, it was never going to be a conversation with the Eagles, but there was this idea that, um, maybe he will fall down a few spots because of this injury.
00:40:49
And to me, it was like, if you like Abdul Carter and a stress fracture in his foot, uh, in February, is affecting the way you evaluate him, then shame on you,
00:41:00
right?
00:41:00
Like, this is an injury that even if he got surgery, he'd be fine for training camp, right?
00:41:04
Now, I understand if you want to see him compete at his pro day, but Abdul Carter is the type of player.
00:41:09
Like, people are clearly overthink, like, Abdul Carter shouldn't need the test.
00:41:13
Abdul Carter shouldn't need to work out, like, uh, Abdul Carter is who he is.
00:41:19
And if, if there's anything that's happening other than interviews during the next, you know, two months, that's affecting your evaluation of a little Carter, then you are completely overthinking the draft and the player evaluation process.
00:41:32
And I think that's a, I think that's especially right with guys at the very top of the draft, right?
00:41:37
Where, theoretically, the margins are, are more glaring, right?
00:41:41
Whereas if you're talking about, like, which, which fifth, they're on running back, should we take, you know, maybe, maybe you, you factor in a little bit more.
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Zach, if you were John Mara, Pecknest Migrant, this is courtesy of Noah Becker, head coach Joe Judge, the current version of Aaron Rogers and Daniel Jones,
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um, I would, I don't know how I would do that, uh, this is, this is, uh, it's very difficult.
00:45:01
I don't know who I would nest in there.
00:45:02
I actually, I actually think I would nest Joe Judge, because I think you could, you could build in theory at least a roster that is coach proof and I don't think you could ever build a team good enough with either of those two quarterbacks.
00:45:17
Yeah, like, I look, I, I, I would clearly pick Aaron Rogers there because like Aaron Rogers can win a game for you still, um, yeah, but you might come out of that diseased.
00:45:26
Um, I would migrate Daniel Jones because we've already seen how, how that's gone.
00:45:34
I suppose I, I, I would nest Joe Judge, um, he's a Philly guy, right, he built a good staff.
00:45:40
Maybe you can talk me into the culture building upon it, but yeah, I don't know, but that's, that's a, I mean, I think you could also, you could argue the peck of Daniel Jones, either, really either quarterback, because they are going to get you to the top of the draft,
00:45:52
right?
00:45:53
Yeah, but no, I, I do think like Aaron Rogers has been bad.
00:45:57
He was, he was, he was bad last year.
00:45:59
But if you're talking one game with Aaron Rogers, Aaron, I'm assuming one, I'm assuming the one is one season.
00:46:06
Oh, okay.
00:46:07
Cause I, I think like packs a game, you know, and that's the season, I'm, I'm great is like 10 years.
00:46:14
Packers.
00:46:15
Okay.
00:46:16
Yeah.
00:46:17
Yeah.
00:46:18
Right.
00:46:19
I would.
00:46:20
That's a, that's a, that's a tough situation there.
00:46:22
Yeah.
00:46:23
I don't want the good answer for that one.
00:46:24
Let's go predict free agency.
00:46:27
Okay, predict the future on for agency over under one and a half players signed during the legal tampering period.
00:46:35
So from Monday and from that, that Monday, it opens a noon to what that Wednesday at 4 p.m.
00:46:42
When the reports are coming out of players, Eagles, not signed from internally from externally.
00:46:47
Just only external, okay, externals, externals, new players to the team over under one and a half.
00:46:54
Oh, it's a good one.
00:46:57
I think I would, oh yeah, but okay, I'm back.
00:47:02
I'm back.
00:47:03
All right.
00:47:04
Good.
00:47:05
I was worried it was my connection and I was like, it's so suspenseful, I wanted to know where you're going.
00:47:08
All right.
00:47:09
Yeah.
00:47:10
No, this has happened to me.
00:47:11
I think I would lean over, but I don't feel good about it.
00:47:14
I think, I think we're talking of the Zach Bonne Devonte Parker variety, right?
00:47:21
That's guys who are sort of filling holes with maybe some non guaranteed money in there, but I don't, I think that's a good number to set.
00:47:28
I would not be surprised if it's, if it's one or even zero.
00:47:32
Yeah.
00:47:33
Agreed with you there.
00:47:34
You know, and I think you and I are viewing this all season the same way that I don't think they're completely sitting out, but I think if they're adding guys, it's in that, you know, one and a half, two million, three million range.
00:47:45
And the Zach Bonne thing last year was a very targeted approach, perhaps they have players like that, but typically the guys that you're signing on those first three days are,
00:47:55
you know, more money than that.
00:47:57
So right now, I'm going to go with a slight under on that.
00:48:01
So I'm going with one.
00:48:02
Yeah.
00:48:03
I think you might be right.
00:48:04
All right.
00:48:05
Let's go.
00:48:06
Let's go.
00:48:07
Let's stay in free agency.
00:48:08
Let's go woodpecker.
00:48:09
Your rather.
00:48:10
Would you rather sign a Josh sweat replacement in free agency or a Milton Williams replacement in free agency?
00:48:16
Hmm.
00:48:17
Good question.
00:48:18
And this is an important one.
00:48:19
This is, I've been, I've been doing my research and I've been looking at these players.
00:48:24
And I think my answer here is, is parking all those doors.
00:48:30
I think the ideal mid tier signing for the Eagles would be somebody who can do a little bit of both.
00:48:38
I like that.
00:48:39
Okay.
00:48:40
Now, like that.
00:48:41
I got one.
00:48:42
Yeah.
00:48:43
Dio Odeyingbo from.
00:48:44
Well, I came.
00:48:45
Yeah.
00:48:46
From from who is like probably going to be out of their range.
00:48:50
It's probably going to get paid a little bit too much.
00:48:53
I was watching him the other night and that's, that would be the ideal type of player.
00:48:57
I don't, I don't love him.
00:48:59
But type wise, you know, he lines up in all four spots.
00:49:02
He has some pass rush production on third down from the inside.
00:49:06
He can also play on the outside.
00:49:07
I think what is nice about where the Eagles stand in terms of having to replace both Josh sweat and Milton Williams is that they do have optionality because yes,
00:49:18
you want a Vic Fangio edge to be able to drop in space.
00:49:22
But you also, you have Nolan Smith and you have Alex Hunt who can both theoretically do that.
00:49:27
It's not like Josh sweat needed to be great at that was needed to be super depth and he was still able to.
00:49:32
So you can sign an edge who hasn't done that a lot or you could sign a guy who is really good at that.
00:49:39
Or who has done that a lot like Joe Trion Showy and his coverage rates were relatively high for ant rusher over the past two seasons underwhelmed pass rush production wise.
00:49:50
A guy that I was probably wrong about I really liked him coming out.
00:49:53
Yeah.
00:49:54
But like like I there are a lot of guys from that draft class.
00:49:58
I feel like the Eagles will add one of those guys just as a dice roll.
00:50:03
Meanwhile at defense attack, you have, you know, you have Jordan Davis.
00:50:08
You have more of a Jama who would feel good about Thomas Booker can rotate in potentially.
00:50:13
So you don't need a guy there, but obviously there is there is space to add a guy.
00:50:17
If you find one and it could be any type it could be it could be a bulkier guy and maybe you're expecting a little bit more Jordan Davis on non rush downs possible.
00:50:28
I think we won't hold our breath for that.
00:50:30
But I just think they need one guy.
00:50:33
And then you can wait and see what happens in the draft, right?
00:50:35
And so like let's say it's an Oda Gingbo and at 32, some defensive tackle stud falls to you and you're super happy.
00:50:44
Then he can you when you get to the spring, he can just focus on playing on the edge or vice versa.
00:50:49
If it's an edge guy, all of a sudden he's going to be, you know, really specializing in being our third down defensive tackle next to Jalen Carter.
00:50:57
I think they have some nice flexibility there, which also truthfully means that they can probably let the market come to them and figure out who is still available and can fill a role.
00:51:08
But I think if they're going to be aggressive, it would make sense for it to be somebody who can do multiple things.
00:51:14
Well said.
00:51:15
And I am with you on day, oh, that's, that's, that's a good player to watch.
00:51:22
Yeah, I don't know.
00:51:23
Yeah, I mean, my guess is he gets a bigger offer to go somewhere else, but he's the kind of player and they're a bunch of, you know, you think back to that draft when they drafted Lane and Dickerson,
00:51:35
you know, what's a week we'll, Trevor and Merrick was the guy who they liked a lot.
00:51:39
They liked Aziz O'Jalari.
00:51:40
They were guys who went later, Joe, Si, who didn't have super productive rookie contracts.
00:51:45
But we know that how he rose and, you know, sort of believes in the anchoring of those early draft picks and hoping that they can get more out of those guys.
00:51:53
Yeah.
00:51:54
I think that they're more likely to sign an edge rusher than the detackle for the reasons that you mentioned.
00:52:00
I think that they're going to get Jordan Davis a little more playing time next year.
00:52:04
I think Ojima is ready for more work.
00:52:07
Ojima is ready for more work.
00:52:09
But, but, and I think there are less numbers right now at edge rusher.
00:52:14
Okay, let's close out free agency.
00:52:19
Let's stick the landing on free agency, convince me.
00:52:22
So you just mentioned Aziz O'Jalari.
00:52:24
That's a player you and I both like coming out of Georgia.
00:52:27
That's a player we both like this year.
00:52:28
We talked about the trade deadline, but let me ask you this, why is Aziz O'Jalari a better profile than Bryce Huff last year?
00:52:38
Fair question.
00:52:40
My instincts are several fold in why they would argue that he's different.
00:52:48
He's played more like he has been a starting or starting caliber player for them has played on more than just third downs.
00:52:56
We did enter the league with the higher profile, which, which matters to the Eagles.
00:53:02
He's that we're talking about a second round pick as opposed to a guy who went undrafted.
00:53:06
And three, I think he's probably going to be less expensive.
00:53:09
Yeah.
00:53:10
Well, yeah.
00:53:11
He's also younger.
00:53:12
Like.
00:53:13
Yeah.
00:53:14
So, I mean, he's only going to be 25 in June, so I think it's a, I think it is a more attractive profile, even if the raw numbers are less gaudy than what Bryce Huff did in 2023,
00:53:29
but I also think he's going to be cheaper.
00:53:31
Yeah, which kind of befuddles me.
00:53:35
Because.
00:53:36
Yeah.
00:53:37
He's married, don't you know?
00:53:38
He's like in like the four to 15 of these, these fray agency rankings.
00:53:41
It befuddles me because as I say, like, if they, if they lose all their guys, who's a guy that they should go out and sign, Azizzo Salari is like that type of player for me.
00:53:51
When you look at the age profile, when you look at the player, when you look at what he was coming out, when you look at like he's had some decent level production with the Giants.
00:54:00
Yeah.
00:54:01
So, and I admitted that I liked Bryce Huff and during fray agency last year, I was wrong on that.
00:54:08
I might have been some, some scheme involved there, but if you said to me, like if both were free agents even last year, I would rather pay Azizzo Salari to 17 million than the Bryce Huff 17 million.
00:54:20
And last year, I didn't think Bryce Huff was going to get 17.
00:54:22
I, I thought Bryce Huff was going to be more than that 14, 15 range last year.
00:54:26
The guy who was also played in space.
00:54:28
Yes.
00:54:29
Now, he, his production has declined since he had a very good rookie year and has gone down since then.
00:54:35
He's also had some trouble staying healthy.
00:54:36
So, those are, those are things that will, that will knock him down.
00:54:39
But yeah, I, I think he is a player who, who the Eagles will be keeping a temperature on.
00:54:43
All right.
00:54:44
Let's go convince me Eagles roster.
00:54:47
Convince me Eagles roster, convince me that Tyler Stene needs real competition.
00:54:50
Because when you and I have spoken in the past and I said that, you know, I don't think the Eagles view McIe back then as 8 million dollars better than Tyler Stene and they can turn that over to Tyler Stene.
00:55:01
And you said you agree, but with competition for Tyler Stene, why does Tyler Stene need the legit competition, if at all, at right guard?
00:55:11
Because every indication the Eagles have given us since he's been in Philadelphia is that they don't trust him as a pendant starter and that they, and they want him to have competition.
00:55:23
And in their eyes, he has lost competitions in the past.
00:55:26
So you want the guy to earn a job to depth wise, they, I mean, they don't have anybody else, right?
00:55:34
You're not going to, you can't rely on making it through a season with all five guys starting 17 games and with Fred Johnson also slated to be a free agent in addition to McIe back then they need that like Jack of all trades guy who maybe you are,
00:55:49
let's, let's say you don't come out of the draft with an offensive lineman in the first three rounds.
00:55:55
You need a guy who can, who can provide, you know, competent starting ability at right guard, but also back up a tackle so that you're hoping that steam beats him out, but then you have a guy who can fill in on game day.
00:56:09
Is there, well, we'll get to it next week.
00:56:12
We don't need to put the cart before the horse, but is there a guard, a veteran guard, the Stefan was Newsky type who you, who, you don't wait until the draft, who you bring in.
00:56:22
I think the sign was Newsky on March 26th or thereabouts and who you bring in in March to kind of draft proof your roster and you say even if you don't draft a tackle guard swing guy in the first three rounds,
00:56:38
here's someone who can compete with Tyler Steen this summer.
00:56:42
Well, somebody mentions it in the chat and we should say like there, there's a chance that internally despite him not playing it all this season, they viewed Trevor Keegan as a potential competitor for Tyler Steen at right guard.
00:56:56
Maybe can are too.
00:56:58
Your boy, that's true and they might and they might view Canard as the Fred Johnson replacement that is possible.
00:57:04
I was looking at all of the free agent offensive lineman and so the get here are the guys who are available who have played at least 200 snaps at both right tackle and left tackle over the past three seasons.
00:57:21
So 200 snaps combined over the past three seasons and are 30 years or younger, okay.
00:57:28
So it's a pretty small list.
00:57:30
You got Patrick McCarrie from the Ravens who is going to get paid, he's a true starting offensive lineman.
00:57:35
No, a guy who has played that guy has played all five positions.
00:57:38
So I do think he will be out of the Eagles range.
00:57:42
Joe Noteboom, who's 30, Larry Borum, who's 26, I think could be a little bit curious for the Eagles, James Hudson,
00:57:52
Fred Johnson and Stone Forsyth.
00:57:55
So it's not, it's not a great list there.
00:58:00
You are breaking up on me again, but yeah, if you're just looking to me out, send if we exit.
00:58:07
If you're looking for a guy who can cover if we don't, you're to draft proof you, right, as as as they get back up, those are guys who could potentially make sense.
00:58:19
We can not got a few, but also probably those are also probably an argument for just keeping Fred Johnson.
00:58:24
Well said.
00:58:25
Well said.
00:58:26
Do you want to mention anything before we get to the next one?
00:58:29
Yes, I would like you to unbutton that top button.
00:58:34
Thank you for watching on fast.
00:58:36
If you would like to see a little peak, it's acts just here.
00:58:38
The only way to find out if you're going to get it is by checking out the rest of the episode on all phy.com.
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I'm sorry for the internet today.
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This is tough.
00:58:47
No problem.
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I don't know if it's an internet issue or an or a computer issue.
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It's possible.
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Yeah.
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How many tabs you're working with right now?
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Too many.
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Over under 99 and a half.
00:59:02
Under.
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Okay.
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Good.
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Yeah.
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All right.
00:59:07
Let's go.
00:59:08
Woodpecker.
00:59:09
You rather draft.
00:59:10
Woodpecker.
00:59:11
You rather draft.
00:59:12
Would you rather an edge rusher with standout production and subpar size testing or an edge rusher with standout size testing and subpar production and the roots of this, you know, we have, you know, guys who think very highly of you,
00:59:24
and I hope me, but I know they think highly of you.
00:59:27
Our friends Josh Norris and Greg Rosenthal.
00:59:30
Josh Norris had a tweet yesterday, essentially saying that the value athleticism at edge rusher.
00:59:39
Okay.
00:59:40
Here.
00:59:41
He said, I would love the draft to pass rusher with top tier athleticism and great production, but if that's not possible, I will pick the top tier athlete over college production.
00:59:48
And then I saw a Greg Rosenthal tweet today and like the, you know, they weren't arguing with each other.
00:59:56
These were different concepts, but this also got me thinking where I think Booker McFarlane said like that, you know, schmarch store who tested great yesterday should be in competition for the number one pick.
01:00:12
And Greg Rosenthal said does he have first round tape much less number one overall, right?
01:00:16
And so it got me thinking like how much at that position specifically are, it's, it's probably even the Trayvon Walker Aiden Hutchinson conversation, right?
01:00:25
How much are you valuing the athletic traits?
01:00:29
Well, I guess just to answer that, that, that question, if you had to choose, would you choose between the tape and the subpar production or the elite athletic testing and the,
01:00:43
you know, I'm asking.
01:00:44
Yeah, I know what you're asking, it's, it's, and I want to play along, it's very difficult because it's a, it's a sliding scale, right?
01:00:51
It's like, well, what if one guy is elite production and like a 45th percentile athlete and another guy is a 99th percentile athlete, but he's never had a sack in his life.
01:01:02
Like, you know, there, there's, you got to sort of weigh both of those things.
01:01:06
I think assuming that we're talking about like the same sort of level of stuff, I think that position specifically, I probably would lean toward the athlete and the traits,
01:01:18
especially if you are in an organization where you can trust your player development.
01:01:23
Now, I don't think that that is what I would always do.
01:01:27
There are, you know, there, there's the old football outsiders, like, sacks here, a thing which I think has sort of gone by the wayside, but like, sacks can be predictive for adressures, but not always.
01:01:39
I do think in part, if you are going to overlook, this is a bit, oh, no, not again.
01:01:45
Okay.
01:01:46
This is a bit contrary to what I was just saying.
01:01:47
I think if you are going to overlook middling production, I do think it needs to be elite athleticism.
01:01:54
I'm not willing to, I'm not willing to not care about a guy who has three sacks because he's like an 80th percentile athlete.
01:02:03
I need to sort of see like real potential ceiling there.
01:02:07
Whereas, I'm losing you there, Daniel Hunter is the guy who comes to mind for me.
01:02:12
He had one and a half sacks at LSU and he, but great athlete, great size, great frame, turned into a great NFL player.
01:02:21
It's a bad job.
01:02:22
I got to be doing, I got to be doing the quick time record so that at least on the audio, you can get my actual answers as opposed to just the garbled nonsense, but I'm sorry.
01:02:33
Should we finish the game or should we wrap this up while, you know, we have some good stuff here.
01:02:38
She.
01:02:39
No.
01:02:40
Let's finish the game.
01:02:41
Projects.
01:02:42
Okay.
01:02:43
Okay.
01:02:44
Okay.
01:02:45
I'm sorry.
01:02:46
I was saying I didn't know how, how your Wi-Fi is doing here.
01:02:47
Project fit.
01:02:48
The draft.
01:02:49
Do the Eagles draft in the first round this year?
01:02:50
I've been here the whole time.
01:02:51
I'm sure you did there.
01:02:52
It's so worried about you.
01:02:53
I'm like, oh God.
01:02:54
Because I never know.
01:02:55
I do want me to carry this year.
01:02:56
Are we waiting out?
01:02:57
Yeah.
01:02:58
All right.
01:02:59
Good job there.
01:03:00
That's funny.
01:03:01
I'm going to go.
01:03:02
I think they do.
01:03:03
Because I think you can odds wise, you're pricing in both the possibility of a trade back in the possibility of a trade for a player.
01:03:16
So.
01:03:17
Yeah.
01:03:18
If I had to choose, I would say no, but I think it's very close.
01:03:21
Yeah.
01:03:22
If I had to choose, I would say no as well.
01:03:24
All right.
01:03:25
Last one.
01:03:26
Eagles roster predict.
01:03:27
Eagles roster predict.
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Julia, Mr.
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V, and all of us, we thank you for watching and listening.
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We will talk to you on Monday.
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And as always, we love you.
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