In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich weigh in on a listener's question (shoutout Karissa!) about implementing 'bar raiser' interview programs at her Series D company. Are they worth the hype, or just an HR trend? Kelli and Nolan dig in.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00 ) Intro

(00:21 ) Implementing a bar raiser interview process

(00:57 ) Amazon's Bar Raiser Program

(01:36 ) Rebranding the "Bar Raiser" Process

(02:42 ) The Amazon Approach

(03:24 ) Avoiding Bias & Alternative Approaches

(04:46 ) DoorDash's Experience

(06:00 ) Challenges & Trade-offs

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(08:16 ) DoorDash's Shift From the "Bar Raiser" Program

(10:18 ) Alternatives & First Principles

(12:31 ) Addressing CEO Expectations

(13:25 ) Bias & Homogeneous Cultures

(14:44 ) The Role of CEOs & Founders

(15:19 ) Diligence & Feedback

(17:21 ) Going Slow to Go Fast

(18:17 ) Misaligned Expectations

(19:10 ) Start Small & Experiment

(19:33 ) Wrap

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