In this episode, hosts Lisa Kays and Paula D. Atkinson discuss their personal journeys to sobriety, their complex relationships with the 12-step programs, and the cultural issues surrounding addiction recovery. They highlight how sobriety and recovery can be nuanced, personal experiences rather than a one-size-fits-all approach. The episode also examines the impact of toxic relationships on mental health and well-being, drawing from real-life examples and professional insights. Additionally, they touch on the various financial burdens faced by therapists and critique systemic issues within the medical and social work fields.