In this conversation, Carlos and Jennifer explore the complexities of life as a spouse in the foreign service, discussing the accountability paradox, the importance of adaptability, and the challenges of maintaining a professional identity while supporting a partner's career. They delve into personal growth, the dynamics of relationships in a foreign context, and the need for policy changes to support spouses. Carlos shares insights on navigating job markets, the emotional aspects of career transitions, and the significance of self-discovery in shaping one's professional journey.

Chapters

00:00 The Role of a Trailing Spouse

04:45 Marsupial Identity and Independence

06:53 Navigating Relationships and Autonomy

07:46 The Science of Relationships

09:32 Proximity vs. Emotional Connection

11:02 Adaptability in Foreign Service Life

13:18 Skills for Success in Foreign Service

14:49 Crafting Your Professional Identity

16:33 Reinventing Yourself in New Environments

17:57 Finding Your Core Interests

19:50 The Journey of Self-Discovery

22:03 Breaking Free from Attachments

22:51 Navigating Personal Growth and Change

24:55 Supporting Diplomatic Families: A Policy Perspective

27:58 Advice and Experiences as a Diplomatic Spouse

32:08 Reflections on Career and Identity

37:08 The Vocation of Diplomacy: A Call to Service

I write more deeply about what I learn from my intervieweesalong with insights from 20+ years as a diplomat and army officer - in my weekly newsletter, Diplomatic Dispatches.

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The views expressed in this episode are the personalreflections of the guest. They do not represent the official positions of the UK Foreign Office or any government.

This podcast shares human stories and transferable lessonsfrom diplomacy - not day-to-day operational details.