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Trump & Telegram (with Joyce Vance)

Trump & Telegram (with Joyce Vance)

Update: 2024-09-03
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The podcast delves into the reindictment of former President Donald Trump in the election interference case in Washington D.C., focusing on the impact of the Supreme Court's recent decision on presidential immunity. The reindictment removes allegations related to Trump's interactions with the Department of Justice, shifting the focus to his actions as a candidate. The podcast highlights the importance of allegations involving Trump's interactions with Mike Pence and the legal arguments surrounding official vs. unofficial conduct. The podcast also briefly mentions the criminal charges faced by Pavel Durav, founder and CEO of Telegram, in France. The charges stem from accusations of allowing criminal activity on the messaging app. Finally, the podcast promotes Cafe Insider membership, offering listeners a one-month trial for $1. It encourages listeners to visit cafe.com/Insider for more information and access to full podcast episodes and bonus content.

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Trump's Reindictment and the Supreme Court's Immunity Decision

The podcast discusses the reindictment of former President Donald Trump in the election interference case in DC, focusing on the impact of the Supreme Court's immunity decision. The reindictment removes allegations related to Trump's interactions with the DOJ, shifting the focus to his actions as a candidate. The podcast highlights the importance of allegations involving Trump's interactions with Mike Pence and the legal arguments surrounding official vs. unofficial conduct.

00:00:28
Telegram Founder Faces Criminal Charges in France

The podcast briefly mentions the criminal charges faced by Pavel Durav, founder and CEO of Telegram, in France. The charges stem from accusations of allowing criminal activity on the messaging app.

00:00:57
Cafe Insider Membership and Podcast Access

This segment promotes Cafe Insider membership, offering listeners a one-month trial for $1. It encourages listeners to visit cafe.com/Insider for more information and access to full podcast episodes and bonus content.

Keywords

Presidential Immunity


A legal doctrine that protects the President from certain legal actions while in office. The Supreme Court's recent decision on presidential immunity has sparked debate about its scope and application.

Official Conduct vs. Unofficial Conduct


A distinction used in legal arguments to determine whether a President's actions are protected by immunity. Official conduct refers to actions taken in the President's official capacity, while unofficial conduct refers to personal actions.

Superseding Indictment


A new indictment that replaces a previous one, often used to modify or clarify charges or to address legal challenges. In this case, the superseding indictment removed certain allegations from the original indictment.

Mike Pence


Former Vice President of the United States, who played a key role in the certification of the 2020 election. The reindictment focuses on allegations of Trump's attempts to influence Pence's actions during the certification process.

Telegram


A messaging app known for its focus on privacy and security. The founder and CEO, Pavel Durav, is facing criminal charges in France related to alleged criminal activity on the platform.

Q&A

  • How did the Supreme Court's immunity decision impact the Trump DC case?

    The Supreme Court's decision created a legal hurdle for the prosecution, limiting the scope of allegations that could be included in the indictment. The special counsel responded by superseding the indictment, removing allegations related to Trump's interactions with the DOJ and reframing the case around his actions as a candidate.

  • What are the key allegations remaining in the reindictment?

    The reindictment focuses on allegations involving Trump's interactions with Mike Pence, specifically his attempts to influence Pence's actions during the certification of the 2020 election. The podcast suggests that these allegations are crucial for the prosecution's case.

  • What are the potential legal arguments surrounding the remaining allegations?

    The prosecution will likely argue that Trump's actions towards Pence were not official conduct, or that they fall within a category of official conduct that is only presumptively immune. They will need to demonstrate that allowing these allegations to stand will not inhibit the functioning of the presidency.

  • What is the significance of the superseding indictment in terms of strategy?

    The superseding indictment allows the prosecution to present a more focused case, addressing the Supreme Court's decision and potentially preempting some of Trump's legal arguments. It also positions the prosecution for a long-term strategy, aiming to preserve as many charges and evidence as possible for a potential trial.

  • What are the potential implications of the Supreme Court's decision on presidential immunity?

    The podcast suggests that the Supreme Court's decision could create a roadmap for criminal conduct, potentially allowing presidents to engage in illegal activities with impunity. The decision raises concerns about the potential for abuse of power and the erosion of accountability.

Show Notes

In an excerpt from a new episode of the CAFE Insider podcast, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance break down the superseding indictment against former President Donald Trump in the election interference case brought by special counsel Jack Smith in D.C.


In the full episode, Preet and Joyce discuss:


– Smith’s brief urging the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals to reinstate the charges against Trump in the classified documents case in Florida, which U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon recently threw out; and

– The controversial arrest of Telegram founder and CEO Pavel Durov in France and the criminal charges accusing him of allowing criminal activity on his messaging app.


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Trump & Telegram (with Joyce Vance)

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