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Being vulnerable in the workplace can be challenging for people. Yet trusting others is inherently an act of vulnerability: we can’t get to trust without it. Deciding when, with whom, how, and to what extent to demonstrate vulnerability is part of the competency of trust-building. Discussing these decisions makes for a deeply human conversation between Ila and Charles.

We want to thank the team that continues to support us in producing, editing and sharing our work. Jonah Smith for the heartfelt intro music you hear at the beginning of each podcast. We LOVE it. Hillary Rideout for writing descriptions, designing covers and helping us share our work on social media. Chad Penner for his superpower editing work to take our recordings from bumpy and glitchy to smooth and easy to listen to episodes for you to enjoy. From our hearts, we are so thankful for this team and the support they provide us.