This episode explores the paradox of prominent right-wing or ethnonationalist figures who, despite their rhetoric, often marry outside their own ethnic or national groups—especially to non-white or immigrant women. Malcolm and Simone Collins discuss the cultural, political, and genetic factors behind these patterns, using examples from US and international politics. The conversation delves into the complexities of ethnicity, genetic diversity, and the social constructs around race, with a particular focus on the role and perception of white women in these dynamics. The episode also touches on broader issues of marriage trends, fertility rates, and the impact of migration and cultural change, all delivered with a mix of humor, data, and personal anecdotes.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be asking the question, what sort of self-respecting racist would date a white woman? And by this what I mean, or the phenomenon I’m gonna be going over is twofold. One is the phenomenon of people who are sort of race realists, or genetic realists or Okay.

Who are seen as leaders in the right wing movement or anti-immigrant. Okay? Very frequently, almost as frequently. As left-leaning anti-white black politicians being married to white men. They are married to either immigrant wives or non-white wives. And then we’re going to be talking about this in the context of it actually makes a lot of sense if you think about right wing politics.

Oh. By this, what I mean is. Who, like w whether it’s the [00:01:00 ] prenatals movement or any form of the right wing movement, who is like the core enemy, right? Who is generating the oppression that you are living under and benefiting from the system that that systemically discriminates against you.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Why would you marry into the longhouse?

It’s

Malcolm Collins: white women, right? Yeah. So

Simone Collins: Passport Bros are the political lesbians of.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. For people who dunno, political lesbians, this was something that happened in the past where women who were not seeing sex attracted would get in same sex attracted relationships like female, female relationships just before political reasons because they felt it was politically unpalatable to date men.

And really what it was, was this sort of aggressive lesbians pressuring straight women using politics into sleeping with them. If you, if you actually look at what was happening there, oh dear, it was not a good thing. But that is, that is not what this episode is about. This episode is about this interesting tension between a group that is supposedly [00:02:00 ] ethnonationalist.

But that is also ESO nationalist towards white people, but that also has a deep disdain for white women specifically.

Simone Collins: Yeah. In a cultural, I mean, yeah, you make a really good point. ‘cause even if you go to the various mgtow channels and look at, you know, the ones who’ve been sort of path dependency, audience funneled into like just the, look at this woman, she’s done a terrible thing.

She’s horrible. It’s majority white women. So you’re

Malcolm Collins: making a good point and. We’re gonna study some trends here because there’s some interesting trends here. Ooh. When white right-leaning women do this, they almost always break up. But when a white, white right-leaning men do this, they almost always stay together.

And keep in mind here the look of, you’re like, why would they go for women of other cultures? Well, because they’re often slightly more conservative in, in their views. And then the final thing we’re gonna go into here is. How ethnicity actually [00:03:00 ] works because I am so frustrated by this inaccurate view of ethnicity that we have in a society.

And actually I’m just gonna start talking about this a little before we go into all the examples of conservatives who do this. So I sent you on WhatsApp, an actual graph of human evolutionary breakups that will show you sort of how humanity speciated Oh, can you pull this up? Yeah. You recently

Simone Collins: shared with us with a, a friend.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Right. And what you will notice here is because, and I’ll, I’ll bring up the context of this with the friend, is they were like, well, you know, I’m an Indian and most of this, this data was trained on Europeans. And therefore it is she’s talking about genetic data for like polygenic screening of embryos.

Therefore, it won’t be accurate on me. You know, it’s not accurate across esit groups. And I was like, sweetie, you are genetically white. Indians are basically white people genetically speaking. And not white people, Europeans, let’s call it that, like [00:04:00 ] the, the wider sort of European cultural group.

But I’ve often said on this group, if you divided humanity into ethnic groups you know, Northern Europeans, middle Easterners, Indians, Asians, and. Native Americans would be one of those groups.

And to clarify here, this one group would also include most North Africans, and I think that edging the majority, like a bit over 50% of Sub-Saharan Africans, uh, with groups like the Bantu being within this one group.

Malcolm Collins: And then almost all of the rest would be African was maybe one for Australian Aboriginals.

But in this chart you can really see what I mean by this in how far back some of these ethnic groups split off with other branches of humans being well around. When our last shared ancestors are outside of the ones who, who enter bred recently. So what you’re seeing here, Simone, is, is, is you look at the Northern [00:05:00 ] Carni and then the Southern Co Sun in, in Africa.

Mm-hmm. These two groups alone are. Close to each other, but more distinct than any of the the non-African groups. And then look at how, and, and they split off from the rest of humans. When Neanderthals were in their prime, like 50% through Neanderthals brain di de Noian were in their prime. Homo n might’ve still been around and only about like halfway between now and homo Heidelbergensis.

Right. Homo Homoerectus was still well around when most of these African groups split off. It’s

Simone Collins: crazy

Malcolm Collins: as, as you can see here. Yeah. That, that’s, it’s

Simone Collins: going way back, it’s going way, way back.

If you wanna dive deep on this topic, we have another episode, , titled Something Like Our Humans, all One Species, , where we go really deep into this and we point out some, some pretty shocking facts. Like for example, , you might be surprised that you are more genetically similar if you are [00:06:00 ] European.

To Neanderthals than you are to some living human groups like the Koan. , That said, , you split from the koan more recently than you split from Neanderthals. Uh, but you are still more genetically similar to Neandertals. We explained how this is the case in, in, in the video you just said go to it. , But lots of spicy stuff there.

This video was filmed before that video, but we’re beginning to get to our backlog because of Simone giving birth to our next kid.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no, but I mean, this is, did you, were you aware of this by the way? Did you like understand? I had no

Simone Collins: idea. I knew that the genetic variation in Africa was.

Insane. That and that like no one seems to get it, especially ‘cause everyone’s just like black or of African descent, as if that like gloms everyone together. So yeah, I knew that that, but I didn’t realize just how long. The branch or how far back the branch off goes. That is just insane. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So we’ll be talking about a better way to sort of think about ethnic groups, even if you’re talking [00:07:00 ] about being more closely related.

And basically I, what, what I’ll point out is that functionally Indians middle Easterners and Europeans are one ethnic group. Oceania is one extra group. Asians are one ethnic group. Native Americans are one ethnic group. And then Africa has like five ethnic groups. If you, if you’re actually looking at the genetic distance.

Mm-hmm. And by this what I mean is you will get a genetic ants that is as large as the genetic distance between Europeans and Indians. At least the population of Indians that’s related to Northern Europeans. So here I’m talking about Brahman. ‘cause Brahman are, you might be surprised about this much more closely related to Europeans than other Indian groups.

That is, that is. Significantly closer. Wait, how and

Simone Collins: why

Malcolm Collins: than some European groups and other European groups?

Simone Collins: What, how and why?

Malcolm Collins: They were, they were descended from a conquering population that came from Europe and the steps.

Simone Collins: Okay. Okay. That explains it. Wow. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: So the Indian thing is actually relevant because what you’ll notice is about a lot of these people that they are actually married to Indians.[00:08:00 ]

Oh, that’s what I’m saying. Like keep it within the, the ethnic group or anything like that. But the point I’m making is they’re not as unique in ethnic group as we make them out to be. Was in modern parlays.

Simone Collins: If they’re Brahman. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, well, even if they’re not Brahman, they’re still about