The gap between knowing and doing is often the hardest part of personal growth. In this episode, Brenda and Catherine explore what embodiment truly means and how to bridge the distance between intellectual understanding and lived experience.

What happens when advice like "love yourself more" feels impossible? Why do we scroll until 1 AM even though we know better? Through personal stories—Catherine’s evolving relationship with money and Brenda’s late-night encounter with dill pickle chips—they show how embodiment requires more than knowledge. It takes practice, mistakes, and self-compassion.

At the center of their conversation is desire, the force that drives change. Desire can motivate action, but it can also feel overwhelming when the next step is unclear. Brenda and Catherine invite listeners to honor their desires without shame and follow the breadcrumbs, even when progress feels slow.

They also discuss the four stages of competence, a reminder that today’s struggle becomes tomorrow’s ease. Like children learning to walk, we build strength through repeated attempts and gradually transform information into embodied wisdom.

In a world saturated with advice but lacking integration, this conversation offers a practical and compassionate guide to becoming who you know you are—one imperfect step at a time.

Episode Highlights
• The gap between having information and living it out
• How deep desire moves us from inspiration to action
• Claiming desires without shame as part of growth
• Practicing self-compassion when we fall short
• The four stages of competence: from unconscious incompetence to unconscious competence
• Personal examples around money, scrolling habits, and food
• Embodiment as a process of repeated attempts and gradual strength-building
• The role of community in supporting embodiment

Brenda and Catherine invite listeners who want support in this work to reach out for one-on-one coaching.

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