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The Longest NFL Day Ever, Cowboys Fever, Incompetence Galore, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

The Longest NFL Day Ever, Cowboys Fever, Incompetence Galore, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Update: 2024-10-075
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This episode of the podcast features Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal discussing the latest NFL news and offering their takes on various topics. They begin by analyzing the Cowboys' victory over the Steelers, highlighting Dak Prescott's performance and the Cowboys' dominance in all facets of the game. They then debate whether the Cowboys are a legitimate playoff contender, considering their 3-2 record and the competitive NFC East. The conversation shifts to the Ravens' impressive 4-1 record and their ability to win games in different ways, leading to a discussion about the Ravens' offensive firepower and their potential to be a top contender in the AFC. The hosts then delve into the unpredictable NFC West, analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of the 49ers, Cardinals, and Seahawks. They also debate whether Aaron Rodgers is still a top-tier quarterback, considering his recent struggles and inconsistent play. The discussion then turns to Sam Darnold's performance in the Jets' loss to the Vikings, questioning whether he can be a reliable quarterback in the long term. The hosts then discuss the impressive performances of rookie quarterbacks Caleb Williams and Bryce Young, considering their potential to be MVP candidates. They analyze their strengths and the overall state of the MVP race, ultimately discussing their own MVP picks. They also discuss Daniel Jones' impressive performance in the Giants' victory over the Seahawks, highlighting his ability to control the game and lead the Giants to a surprising win. The conversation then shifts to the Bengals' offensive resurgence, highlighting Joe Burrow's performance and the contributions of Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins. They analyze the Bengals' potential and their ability to compete in the AFC. The hosts then engage in a "Week 5 Incompetency Draft," where they select the most incompetent players, coaches, and teams from the week's NFL action. They discuss the Browns' struggles with Deshaun Watson, the 49ers' sloppy play, and the Jaguars' inconsistency. The discussion then moves to a critique of the WNBA's scheduling, advocating for better placement of games to attract casual fans. The conversation then shifts to the NFL's concussion spotters, with a specific example of Josh Allen's apparent concussion during a game. The hosts discuss their "incompetence groups" for the week, highlighting players and teams that have underperformed. They note the surprising lack of referee-related complaints, given the usual focus on officiating. The conversation turns to sports betting, with the hosts discussing their picks for the week. They express frustration with over/under bets, comparing them to roulette due to their unpredictable nature. The hosts engage in a friendly competition, making predictions for the upcoming week's NFL games. They discuss their reasoning for each pick, considering factors like team performance, injuries, and home-field advantage. The hosts highlight the significance of the Ravens-Commanders game, noting its rarity as a matchup between two teams with winning records. They discuss their picks for the game, with differing opinions on the point spread. The hosts discuss the Saints-Buccaneers game, acknowledging the unpredictable nature of the NFC South. They express their frustration with the division's inconsistency and their picks for the game. The hosts discuss the Lions-Cowboys game, with one host adjusting their pick based on the other's confidence. They acknowledge the Lions' strong performance against Pittsburgh but question their ability to replicate that success against Dallas. The hosts discuss the Eagles-Browns game, with a significant disagreement on the point spread. They debate the Eagles' dominance and the Browns' potential for an upset, ultimately disagreeing on the predicted outcome. The hosts discuss the Packers-Cardinals game, highlighting the Packers' surprising victory despite a pick-six. They also touch on the increasing use of win probability statistics in sports broadcasts. The hosts express their strong dislike for win probability statistics, arguing that they detract from the excitement and unpredictability of sports. They criticize the overuse of these statistics and their potential impact on viewership. The hosts continue their critique of win probability statistics, arguing that they are irrelevant and intrusive in social settings. They imagine a scenario where these statistics become commonplace in everyday conversations, leading to awkward and unnecessary discussions. The hosts discuss the Chargers-Broncos game, with one host comparing the Broncos to a "poor man's Pittsburgh." They discuss the Broncos' surprising record and their potential for a surprising upset against the Chargers. The hosts debate the identity of the best defense in the NFL, considering various teams and their recent performances. They ultimately agree that the Kansas City Chiefs have the most reliable defense, particularly in crucial moments. The hosts discuss the Steelers-Raiders game, highlighting the Steelers' strong pass rush as a potential problem for the Raiders. They also note the historical trend of favorites with a seven-point spread or more losing, suggesting an upset might be in store. The hosts discuss the Colts-Titans game, with one host predicting a close victory for the Colts. They also mention Raheem Palmer's tendency to bet on underperforming teams, suggesting this game might be a good pick for him. The hosts discuss the Falcons-Panthers game, with one host arguing that the Panthers should not be getting a four-point spread against a 500-nup team. They make their picks for the game, with differing opinions on the point spread. The hosts discuss the potential value of betting on bad teams, particularly in blowouts. They note that bad teams often get blown out, creating opportunities for high-paying bets. The hosts discuss the Bengals-Giants game, with one host expressing concern about the Bengals' vulnerability against the Giants. They acknowledge the Giants' potential for an upset, particularly if their receivers perform well. The hosts discuss the Bills-Jets game, with one host predicting a Bills victory and the other predicting a Jets upset. They acknowledge the Jets' potential for a surprise win, particularly if their defense performs well. The hosts discuss the potential for renewed hype surrounding Aaron Rodgers after a recent victory. They question whether the public will be quick to jump back on the Rodgers bandwagon after a successful performance. The hosts discuss the emotional rollercoaster of being a sports fan, particularly during the playoffs. They describe the intense highs and lows of watching their teams compete, and the impact it has on their overall well-being. The hosts discuss the importance of shared sports moments with their children, highlighting the lasting impact these experiences can have. They recall specific moments that have created lasting memories and bonds with their families. The hosts discuss their shared passion for UFC, particularly their admiration for fighter Alex Pereira. They describe their excitement watching Pereira compete and the special bond they have formed through their shared interest. The hosts suggest that watching UFC can be a good way for parents to connect with their children and appear "cool." They note the popularity of UFC among younger generations and the potential for shared experiences and conversations. The hosts promote their various podcasts and media projects, including "Against All Odds," "Through the Ringer," and "The Rewatchables." They also announce a giveaway for a 50-inch TV, encouraging listeners to participate.

Outlines

00:01:28
Cowboys Win a Thriller Against the Steelers and Is It Time to Believe in the Cowboys?

Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal discuss the Cowboys' victory over the Steelers, highlighting Dak Prescott's performance and the Cowboys' dominance in all facets of the game. They also discuss the Steelers' struggles and the Cowboys' upcoming schedule. They then debate whether the Cowboys are a legitimate playoff contender, considering their 3-2 record and the competitive NFC East. They analyze the Cowboys' strengths and weaknesses and discuss potential threats in the NFC playoff race.

00:20:15
The Ravens Are a Must-Watch Team and The NFC West is Wide Open

Bill and Sal discuss the Ravens' impressive 4-1 record and their ability to win games in different ways. They highlight the Ravens' offensive firepower and their potential to be a top contender in the AFC. They then discuss the unpredictable NFC West, with the 49ers, Cardinals, and Seahawks all in contention. They analyze the strengths and weaknesses of each team and discuss the potential for a nine-win team to win the division.

00:25:11
Is Aaron Rodgers Washed? and Is Sam Darnold Turning into a Pumpkin?

Bill and Sal debate whether Aaron Rodgers is still a top-tier quarterback, considering his recent struggles and inconsistent play. They discuss his body language, his performance, and the Jets' overall struggles. They then discuss Sam Darnold's performance in the Jets' loss to the Vikings, questioning whether he can be a reliable quarterback in the long term. They analyze his struggles and the Jets' overall offensive limitations.

00:28:32
Are Caleb Williams and Bryce Young MVP Candidates? and Who Should We Bet on for MVP?

Bill and Sal discuss the impressive performances of rookie quarterbacks Caleb Williams and Bryce Young, considering their potential to be MVP candidates. They analyze their strengths and the overall state of the MVP race. They then discuss their MVP picks, considering the current state of the race and the performances of various quarterbacks. They analyze the odds and discuss the potential for a surprise winner.

00:31:41
Daniel Jones is Back and The Bengals Offense is Back

Bill and Sal discuss Daniel Jones' impressive performance in the Giants' victory over the Seahawks, highlighting his ability to control the game and lead the Giants to a surprising win. They analyze the Giants' potential and their upcoming schedule. They then discuss the Bengals' offensive resurgence, highlighting Joe Burrow's performance and the contributions of Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins. They analyze the Bengals' potential and their ability to compete in the AFC.

00:37:59
Week 5 Incompetency Draft

Bill and Sal engage in a "Week 5 Incompetency Draft," where they select the most incompetent players, coaches, and teams from the week's NFL action. They discuss the Browns' struggles with Deshaun Watson, the 49ers' sloppy play, and the Jaguars' inconsistency.

00:58:03
WNBA Scheduling and NFL Concussion Spotters

The discussion begins with a critique of the WNBA's scheduling, advocating for better placement of games to attract casual fans. The conversation then shifts to the NFL's concussion spotters, with a specific example of Josh Allen's apparent concussion during a game.

00:59:44
Incompetence Groups and Referees and Betting on the Bengals and Over/Unders

The hosts discuss their "incompetence groups" for the week, highlighting players and teams that have underperformed. They note the surprising lack of referee-related complaints, given the usual focus on officiating. The conversation turns to sports betting, with the hosts discussing their picks for the week. They express frustration with over/under bets, comparing them to roulette due to their unpredictable nature.

01:03:30
Guest of Lines Week Six Predictions

The hosts engage in a friendly competition, making predictions for the upcoming week's NFL games. They discuss their reasoning for each pick, considering factors like team performance, injuries, and home-field advantage.

01:11:50
The Problem with Win Probability

The hosts express their strong dislike for win probability statistics, arguing that they detract from the excitement and unpredictability of sports. They criticize the overuse of these statistics and their potential impact on viewership. They continue their critique of win probability statistics, arguing that they are irrelevant and intrusive in social settings. They imagine a scenario where these statistics become commonplace in everyday conversations, leading to awkward and unnecessary discussions.

01:22:01
The Emotional Rollercoaster of the Parent Corner and The Power of Shared Sports Moments

The hosts discuss the emotional rollercoaster of being a sports fan, particularly during the playoffs. They describe the intense highs and lows of watching their teams compete, and the impact it has on their overall well-being. They then discuss the importance of shared sports moments with their children, highlighting the lasting impact these experiences can have. They recall specific moments that have created lasting memories and bonds with their families.

01:29:33
UFC and Shared Passions and UFC as a Cool Dad Activity

The hosts discuss their shared passion for UFC, particularly their admiration for fighter Alex Pereira. They describe their excitement watching Pereira compete and the special bond they have formed through their shared interest. They then suggest that watching UFC can be a good way for parents to connect with their children and appear "cool." They note the popularity of UFC among younger generations and the potential for shared experiences and conversations.

Keywords

Incompetency Draft


A humorous segment where Bill and Sal draft the most incompetent players, coaches, and teams from the week's NFL action. This is a lighthearted way to analyze the week's games and highlight the struggles of certain teams and individuals.

Sunk Cost


A term used in economics and decision-making to describe the tendency to continue investing in something, even if it is not profitable, because of the amount of money or effort already invested. Bill and Sal use this term to describe the Browns' situation with Deshaun Watson, arguing that they are stuck with him despite his poor performance.

Multi-View


A feature on YouTube and other streaming platforms that allows users to watch multiple games simultaneously. Bill and Sal discuss the limitations of the multi-view feature, particularly when it comes to watching early games that bleed into the late games.

Hail Mary


A long pass thrown downfield in American football, typically in a desperate attempt to score. Bill and Sal discuss the "Pearson play," a famous Hail Mary play from the 1970s, and other memorable Hail Mary plays.

Rookie QB


A quarterback who is in their first year in the NFL. Bill and Sal discuss the performances of rookie quarterbacks Caleb Williams and Bryce Young, highlighting their potential and their impact on the league.

Must-Watch Team


A team that is exciting to watch, regardless of their record or performance. Bill and Sal discuss the Ravens as a must-watch team, highlighting their offensive firepower and their ability to win games in different ways.

Playoff Contender


A team that is considered to have a realistic chance of making the playoffs. Bill and Sal discuss the Cowboys' playoff chances, considering their 3-2 record and the competitive NFC East.

Double-Digit Lead


A lead of 10 points or more in American football. Bill and Sal discuss the 49ers' tendency to blow double-digit leads in the fourth quarter, highlighting their inconsistency and their struggles to close out games.

Fantasy Football


A game where players draft real-life NFL players and compete based on their performance in real games. Bill and Sal discuss the impact of fantasy football on their analysis of the NFL, highlighting the importance of certain players and the excitement of the game.

Q&A

  • What are the Cowboys' chances of making the playoffs?

    The Cowboys are a legitimate playoff contender, but they face a tough NFC East and a competitive NFC playoff race. Their success will depend on Dak Prescott's performance and their ability to overcome their weaknesses.

  • What makes the Ravens a must-watch team?

    The Ravens are a must-watch team because of their explosive offense, led by Lamar Jackson, and their ability to win games in different ways. They are a threat to any team in the AFC.

  • What is the biggest challenge facing the Browns?

    The Browns' biggest challenge is Deshaun Watson's poor performance. His struggles have hampered the team's offense and made it difficult for them to compete.

  • Who are the top MVP candidates?

    The MVP race is wide open, but the top candidates include Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen. However, the emergence of rookie quarterbacks Caleb Williams and Bryce Young could shake up the race.

  • What is the biggest issue facing the NFL schedule makers?

    The NFL schedule makers need to address the issue of early games bleeding into the late games, making it difficult for fans to watch multiple games simultaneously. They should consider adjusting the start times to create more space between games.

  • What are some of the challenges facing the WNBA in terms of attracting casual fans?

    The WNBA faces challenges in attracting casual fans due to scheduling conflicts with other popular sports, particularly football. The hosts argue that better placement of games, such as scheduling them before Monday Night Football, could help increase viewership.

  • How effective are NFL concussion spotters in identifying and addressing potential concussions?

    The hosts express concern about the effectiveness of NFL concussion spotters, citing an example of Josh Allen's apparent concussion during a game. They argue that the current protocols may not be sufficient to protect players from serious injuries.

  • What are some of the reasons why win probability statistics are so unpopular among sports fans?

    The hosts argue that win probability statistics detract from the excitement and unpredictability of sports. They believe that these statistics are intrusive and unnecessary, and that they can negatively impact viewership by reducing the emotional investment in games.

  • How can parents use sports to create lasting memories and bonds with their children?

    The hosts emphasize the importance of shared sports moments with children, highlighting the lasting impact these experiences can have. They believe that sports can create strong emotional connections and provide opportunities for bonding and shared memories.

  • What are some of the benefits of watching UFC as a parent?

    The hosts suggest that watching UFC can be a good way for parents to connect with their children and appear "cool." They note the popularity of UFC among younger generations and the potential for shared experiences and conversations.

Show Notes

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal after what seemed like an endless day of football to discuss the Cowboys' last-minute win over the Steelers, another dismal Patriots performance (1:28 ), the Ravens winning a shootout vs. the Bengals, Jets-Vikings, Bears-Panthers, another encouraging showing from Jayden Daniels, and Giants-Seahawks (20:16 ). Then they host an NFL Week 5 Incompetency Draft (38:05 ). Finally, they guess the lines for NFL Week 6 (1:03:30 ) and close the show with Parent Corner (1:23:21 ).


Host: Bill Simmons

Guest: Cousin Sal

Producer: Kyle Crichton



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