In Part 2 of Kyira’s conversation with Change Consultant Carl King, the focus shifts from breaking free of rigid religious systems to the long and often messy process of rebuilding life afterward. Carl reflects on the terror and liberation of walking away, the ongoing pull of shame and self-sabotage, and the importance of learning to sit with discomfort instead of rushing toward quick fixes. Together, Kyira and Carl explore themes of identity, ambiguity, and curiosity as tools for healing and growth, reminding listeners that change is less about having the “right” answer and more about experimenting with new ways of being.

Key Takeaways

• Freedom is mixed. Leaving controlling systems brings both terror and empowerment — it’s never clean or simple.
• Insight and action are different. Sometimes the most powerful move is holding space in ambiguity instead of rushing to “fix” things.
• Boundaries build self-worth. Saying “no” creates respect and helps reveal who genuinely values you.
• Trust takes rebuilding. Healing requires learning to see individuals as distinct, not assuming everyone will harm or control.
• Creativity fosters resilience. Outlets like writing, music, or simple “chord changes” open space for curiosity and healing.
• It’s all an experiment. Approaching life with patience, curiosity, and compassion reduces shame and keeps growth possible.

More about Carl:

Carl King is a Change Consultant, empowering organizations and individuals with methods for lasting change. Drawing from his rich tapestry of experiences, Carl brings a unique blend of empathy and insight to his coaching practice. His own journey taught him the power of embracing change, and he's dedicated his life to helping others navigate their own transformations skillfully.

Connect with Carl:

• Website
• Instagram/Socials: @carleking and @mychordchange

Ready to take the next step?

• Download the FREE handout, "5 Things Shame Resilient People Do Every Day" and start making those daily shifts to break that shame cycle that's keeping you stuck in that negative headspace.
• Book a free 25-minute discovery call to discuss different program options and find the support best fits your needs.

Stay Connected:

• Subscribe to the podcast on Spotify or Apple Podcasts and be sure to leave a review to let us know your thoughts on this episode.
• YouTube
• Website