DiscoverThe Gray Area with Sean IllingWhat India teaches us about liberalism — and its decline
What India teaches us about liberalism — and its decline

What India teaches us about liberalism — and its decline

Update: 2024-07-083
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This episode of the Grey Area delves into the complexities of liberalism in India, exploring its historical development and the challenges it faces in the 21st century. The conversation begins with a discussion about the fundamental principles of liberalism, with Zach Beacham and Pratap Bhanu Mehta offering their perspectives on its core values. They emphasize the importance of individual autonomy and the need for justification when authority is imposed. The discussion then shifts to the historical context of liberalism in India, challenging the notion that it is solely a Western concept. Mehta argues that India has its own rich traditions of religious toleration and value pluralism, which have shaped its unique understanding of liberalism. He highlights the significance of social justice and the need to dismantle oppressive social structures, particularly the caste system, in order to achieve true individual freedom. The episode then examines the rise of Hindu nationalism in India, represented by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Mehta argues that Modi's success is rooted in his ability to exploit the failures of the liberal establishment to address caste inequalities and his skillful use of nationalist rhetoric. He also points out that Modi's brand of nationalism is a modern phenomenon, fueled by the rise of the nation-state and the desire for a homogenous national identity. The episode concludes with an analysis of the recent Indian election results, which suggest a potential shift in the political landscape. While Modi secured a third term, his party's performance fell short of expectations, indicating a growing dissatisfaction with his economic policies and his divisive rhetoric. Mehta argues that this outcome reflects a structural crisis in the Indian economy and a growing fatigue with Modi's leadership. He suggests that the future of liberalism in India, and perhaps globally, will depend on the ability of liberal parties to address the concrete issues that matter to voters, such as economic inequality and social justice. The episode concludes with a reflection on the importance of liberal governance and the need for political parties to demonstrate their effectiveness in addressing the challenges facing their societies.

Outlines

00:00:00
The Crisis of Liberalism

This Chapter begins by stating that liberalism is the dominant political ideology of our time, but its dominance is in trouble. The most dangerous threats to liberalism are coming from within its own borders, from the United States to Hungary to Turkey to the Philippines. Politicians are running for office on platforms that challenge liberalism's most basic premises, and they are winning. One of the most important countries currently in crisis is India, where the current government is tearing the foundations of liberalism apart. The world's largest country is at risk of becoming the world's largest authoritarian country.

00:02:22
Defining Liberalism

This Chapter explores the definition of liberalism, with Zach Beacham and Pratap Bhanu Mehta offering their perspectives. Beacham defines liberalism as a set of moral and philosophical principles that prioritize individual autonomy and freedom, while Mehta emphasizes the elemental experience of feeling unjustified when authority is imposed. They discuss the implications of this core principle for democracy, individual rights, and property rights. Mehta argues that liberalism is not simply a series of prohibitions but an affirmative vision that seeks to universalize the principle of individual autonomy.

00:07:22
Liberalism Beyond the West

This Chapter challenges the notion that liberalism is solely a Western concept. Mehta argues that India has its own rich traditions of religious toleration and value pluralism, which have shaped its unique understanding of liberalism. He highlights the significance of social justice and the need to dismantle oppressive social structures, particularly the caste system, in order to achieve true individual freedom. He contrasts the historical focus on religious intolerance in the West with India's experience of social intolerance, emphasizing the different sources and enemies of liberalism in different societies.

00:16:33
The Rise of Hindu Nationalism

This Chapter examines the rise of Hindu nationalism in India, represented by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Mehta argues that Modi's success is rooted in his ability to exploit the failures of the liberal establishment to address caste inequalities and his skillful use of nationalist rhetoric. He also points out that Modi's brand of nationalism is a modern phenomenon, fueled by the rise of the nation-state and the desire for a homogenous national identity. He contrasts the Indian national movement's attempt to avoid the catastrophes of European nationalism with Modi's attempt to import a European-style nationalism into India, warning of the potential for conflict and violence.

00:32:53
The Indian Election Results

This Chapter analyzes the recent Indian election results, which suggest a potential shift in the political landscape. While Modi secured a third term, his party's performance fell short of expectations, indicating a growing dissatisfaction with his economic policies and his divisive rhetoric. Mehta argues that this outcome reflects a structural crisis in the Indian economy and a growing fatigue with Modi's leadership. He suggests that this outcome reflects a structural crisis in the Indian economy and a growing fatigue with Modi's leadership.

00:37:27
The Future of Liberalism

This Chapter discusses the implications of the Indian election results for the future of liberalism. Mehta argues that the crisis of liberalism may not be a revolt against liberal values per se, but rather a dissatisfaction with liberal political formations for their inability to govern effectively and address long-standing social and economic problems. He warns that if leaders like Modi are empowered and remain in power for long enough, they can create conditions that not only extinguish liberalism but also lead to something far worse. He emphasizes the need for liberal parties to become effective governing parties, addressing the concrete issues that matter to voters, such as economic inequality and social justice. He concludes by suggesting that the future of liberalism will be determined by the ability of liberal parties to demonstrate their effectiveness in addressing the challenges facing their societies.

Keywords

Liberalism


A political philosophy that emphasizes individual rights, freedoms, and limited government. It is characterized by a belief in individual autonomy, free markets, and democratic institutions. Liberalism has its roots in the Enlightenment and has evolved over time, with different schools of thought emerging, such as classical liberalism, social liberalism, and libertarianism.

Hindu Nationalism


A political ideology in India that promotes the idea of a Hindu-centric nation-state. It often involves the assertion of Hindu cultural and religious dominance, and can be associated with intolerance towards other religions, particularly Islam. Hindu nationalism has gained prominence in recent years, with the rise of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Narendra Modi


The current Prime Minister of India, known for his strong nationalist stance and his association with the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Modi has been criticized for his handling of religious tensions, his economic policies, and his authoritarian tendencies. He has also been praised for his economic reforms and his focus on infrastructure development.

Caste System


A hierarchical social system in India that divides people into different social groups based on birth. The caste system is rooted in ancient Hindu scriptures and has been a source of social inequality and discrimination for centuries. The system is based on the concept of purity and pollution, with upper castes considered to be more pure than lower castes. The lowest caste, known as Dalits or untouchables, have historically faced severe social and economic marginalization.

Indian Constitution


The supreme law of India, adopted in 1950. It establishes a federal parliamentary republic with a multi-party system. The constitution guarantees fundamental rights to all citizens, including the right to equality, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. It also enshrines the principle of secularism, which aims to ensure that the state does not favor any particular religion.

Secularism


The principle of separation of religion and state. It aims to ensure that the state does not favor any particular religion and that all citizens are treated equally regardless of their religious beliefs. Secularism is a key principle of the Indian Constitution and has been a source of debate in recent years, with some arguing that it is under threat from the rise of Hindu nationalism.

Global Liberalism


The spread of liberal ideas and values around the world. It refers to the increasing acceptance of individual rights, freedoms, and democratic institutions in different countries. Global liberalism has been challenged in recent years by the rise of populism, nationalism, and authoritarianism.

Political Polarization


The increasing division and hostility between different political groups. It is characterized by a growing gap between the views of liberals and conservatives, and a decline in civility and compromise. Political polarization is a global phenomenon and has been exacerbated by social media and the rise of identity politics.

Economic Inequality


The uneven distribution of wealth and income within a society. It is a major challenge facing many countries around the world and can lead to social unrest and political instability. Economic inequality is often exacerbated by globalization, technological change, and government policies.

Social Justice


The fair and equitable treatment of all members of society. It involves addressing issues of inequality, discrimination, and marginalization. Social justice is a key goal of liberalism and is often linked to the pursuit of equality and human rights.

Q&A

  • What are the fundamental principles of liberalism, according to Zach Beacham and Pratap Bhanu Mehta?

    Beacham defines liberalism as a set of moral and philosophical principles that prioritize individual autonomy and freedom, while Mehta emphasizes the elemental experience of feeling unjustified when authority is imposed. They both agree that liberalism is not simply a series of prohibitions but an affirmative vision that seeks to universalize the principle of individual autonomy.

  • How does India's historical experience with social intolerance differ from the West's focus on religious intolerance?

    Mehta argues that India has its own rich traditions of religious toleration and value pluralism, but its primary challenge has been social intolerance, particularly the caste system. He contrasts this with the West's historical focus on religious intolerance, highlighting the different sources and enemies of liberalism in different societies.

  • What are the key factors behind the rise of Hindu nationalism in India?

    Mehta argues that Modi's success is rooted in his ability to exploit the failures of the liberal establishment to address caste inequalities and his skillful use of nationalist rhetoric. He also points out that Modi's brand of nationalism is a modern phenomenon, fueled by the rise of the nation-state and the desire for a homogenous national identity.

  • What do the recent Indian election results suggest about the state of liberalism in India?

    While Modi secured a third term, his party's performance fell short of expectations, indicating a growing dissatisfaction with his economic policies and his divisive rhetoric. Mehta argues that this outcome reflects a structural crisis in the Indian economy and a growing fatigue with Modi's leadership.

  • What are the key challenges facing liberalism in the 21st century?

    Mehta argues that the crisis of liberalism may not be a revolt against liberal values per se, but rather a dissatisfaction with liberal political formations for their inability to govern effectively and address long-standing social and economic problems. He warns that if leaders like Modi are empowered and remain in power for long enough, they can create conditions that not only extinguish liberalism but also lead to something far worse.

  • What is the role of liberal governance in addressing the challenges facing liberalism?

    Mehta emphasizes the need for liberal parties to become effective governing parties, addressing the concrete issues that matter to voters, such as economic inequality and social justice. He concludes by suggesting that the future of liberalism will be determined by the ability of liberal parties to demonstrate their effectiveness in addressing the challenges facing their societies.

Show Notes

Authoritarian tendencies have been on the rise globally and the liberal world order is on the decline. One hotspot of this tension lies in India, where Prime Minister Narendra Modi employs autocratic language and tactics to maintain power. But a recent election may indicate that voters are losing interest in this style of rule. Guest host Zack Beauchamp talks with scholar Pratap Bhanu Mehta about the past of the Indian liberal tradition and what the current politics of the world’s largest democracy say about the state of global politics. 


Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area

Guest: Pratap Bhanu Mehta

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