Nathan and Mondo dive into the tensions that naturally surface between visionaries and their second-in-commands—from unspoken fears and mismatched wiring, to the unintended consequences of saying “no” too often. Together, they explore what happens when roles blur, why shared language matters, and how clarity around authority—what, why, and how—can transform friction into flow. 

After that, Nathan and Mondo discuss what can happen when you’re wired for one seat but find yourself in another. They unpack the difference between the jackets we wear and the bodies we bring and along the way, they challenge high performers to find balance, embrace uncomfortable seasons, and recognize when it’s time to fly — and when it’s time to walk.

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This is One Second, a conversation between two people with wildly different identities where we're exploring how we're different while embracing that we're better together. In our vernacular at How to be Second, I am a Second, and my co-host Armando Davison, is what we call a natural 1iC, or a Visionary. Enjoy.