Nathan and Mondo unpack their definitions of opportunity creator. Together they explore how Ones and Seconds see the world differently—why some people dump Legos on the floor and others organize them into rockets—and how those wiring differences make partnerships powerful. Along the way, they dive into risk, ego, faith, calling, and the courage it takes to leave a good seat in search of a better one.

Then they dive into the messy gap between being nice and being direct and kind—and why so many people confuse the two. Mondo unpacks how honesty without extra explanation often gets mislabeled as arrogance, especially in cultures that expect niceness as the norm. Nathan reflects on his own journey from being direct and harsh to learning how clarity and kindness can coexist, even if it means giving up the comfort of “being nice.” Along the way, they explore people-pleasing, relationship dynamics, and what it really takes to polish old habits without losing your voice.

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This is One Second, a conversation between two people with wildly different identities where we're exploring how we're different while embracing that we're better together. In our vernacular at How to be Second, I am a Second, and my co-host Armando Davison, is what we call a natural 1iC, or a Visionary. Enjoy.