Nathan and Mondo dig into the love languages that shape how they give and receive care—revealing why acts of service define them both, and how that plays out in their marriages, partnerships, and leadership styles. Together they explore how mismatched “languages” can make or break trust between firsts and seconds in command—and why understanding how someone feels loved might be the key to working, leading, and relating better.

After that they unpack the complicated dance of giving and receiving help—from the discomfort of asking for it to the frustration of being “helped” in all the wrong ways. Mondo reflects on the season when he had to depend on others for even the basics, and how that reshaped his empathy and boundaries. Nathan shares the sting of people offering fixes he never asked for, exploring how “help” can sometimes serve the helper more than the helped. Together, they wrestle with pride, humility, and the surprising ways God uses uncomfortable asks to grow trust, character, and connection.

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This is One Second, a conversation between two people with wildly different identities where we're exploring how we're different while embracing that we're better together. In our vernacular at How to be Second, I am a Second, and my co-host Armando Davison, is what we call a natural 1iC, or a Visionary. Enjoy.