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B2B product marketers in SaaS businesses are feeling misunderstood. Struggling to position what they do internally. Colleagues not having one clear idea what they do either.
What if there was a better way? This is We're Not Marketers.
The new podcast for SaaSy B2B product marketers who want CEO buy-in on what they do. Get the weekly masterclass without the inflated tuition and entry-level requirements, just to get your foot in the door.
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What if there was a better way? This is We're Not Marketers.
The new podcast for SaaSy B2B product marketers who want CEO buy-in on what they do. Get the weekly masterclass without the inflated tuition and entry-level requirements, just to get your foot in the door.
Stop being overlooked and start listening.
Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
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We’re kicking off season 4 with Chanel Chambers, VP of Marketing at Lakeside Software. As a product marketing leader and past music teacher, she’s joining us to break down the role of product marketing, why it's central to a business’s success, and how PMMs can increase their influence. From jazz improvisation to AI-driven business strategies, Chanel shares fresh insights on how product marketers can start treating their role with a business holistic approach and how to create credibility internally AND externally. We’re talked about:🔹 Why product marketers sit at the center of the entire marketing mix🔹 How PMMs can transition from order takers to strategic influencers🔹 The “Land, Expand, Retain” framework every PMM needs to master🔹 What jazz musicians and product marketers have in common🔹 How to build credibility and navigate internal conflicts with confidence🔹 Why business fluency is the key to PMM influence (hint: know your numbers!)🔹 The difference between activities vs. outcomes—and why PMMs should focus on the latter🔹 Why AI isn’t changing what businesses need, just how they get there🔹 The biggest mistake PMMs make when presenting ICP and personasListen now to get a fresh perspective on how to elevate your role and make a real impact as a PMM! 🎧Timespan:00:00 Introduction and Host Introductions00:55 Special Guest Introduction: Chanel Chambers02:36 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?03:33 The Role of Product Marketing in Business09:52 Frameworks and Problem-Solving in Product Marketing16:03 Outcome-Based Metrics vs. Activity-Based Metrics18:37 Navigating Organizational Goals and Stakeholders23:04 Understanding the Role of Personas24:24 The Importance of Insights Over Reports25:50 Practicing Influence as a PMM26:33 Curiosity and Ambiguity in PMM34:38 Navigating Internal Conflicts39:47 Final Thoughts and FarewellShow Notes:Chanel LinkedInHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In this special recap, we dive into what it really means to be a product marketer in the ever-evolving B2B SaaS space—from defining the role to gaining the trust of executives and product teams. Hear first-hand advice on establishing boundaries, shaping product roadmaps, and showcasing your unique value. Tune in to discover how you can go from feeling misunderstood to being the unignorable voice in your organization.Why product marketing often feels misunderstood—and how to change that.The “secret sauce” to defining your role so everyone, from sales to CEOs, sees your impact.Strategies for sitting in a “neutral” spot on the org chart (and why it’s a dream setup).Insider tips for positioning your product before it’s built—so buyers are ready to say “yes.”How to set healthy boundaries with tasks that aren’t in your zone of genius.This episode is featuring episodes clips from Tamara Grominsky, Dave Gerhardt, and April Dunford.Give it a listen prior to season 4 launching in 2 weeks! Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Product marketing and content marketing—are they allies, or just frenemies in disguise? In this episode, Devin Reed (ex-Gong, ex-Clari, and host of Read Between the Lines) joins the crew to dish out his hot takes on the tension between PMMs and content marketers, why most messaging decks collect dust, and the real secret to making content that resonates. If you’ve ever questioned whether product marketing is actually marketing (or just internal storytelling), this one’s for you.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:→ The biggest mistake product marketers make when handing messaging to content teams→ Why most positioning and messaging decks never make it into real-world content→ The secret to testing messaging before betting big on a full campaign→ How to bridge the gap between internal messaging and market-facing storytelling→ The power of creative freedom—why it’s the ultimate flex in B2B marketing→ The “two-sentence test” for making sure your messaging actually lands→ When it’s too candid—how to balance bold positioning with market perception→ How to write messaging that actually reflects what customers sayListen now to hear Devin unfiltered take on product marketing, messaging mistakes, and how to win the content game.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction and Host Welcome02:00 Introducing the Special Guest: Devin Reed04:13 Devin Reed's Insights on Product Marketing06:00 The Relationship Between Content and Product Marketing14:51 Testing and Differentiating Marketing Strategies23:57 Creative Freedom in B2B Marketing26:23 Writing for Yourself: A Sales Rep's Perspective26:57 Creating Relatable and Memorable Content28:12 The Power of Sales Team Collaboration28:55 The Heat Check: Testing Content Ideas29:35 Maniacal Focus on Quality Content29:59 The Importance of Clear and Concise Messaging31:40 Understanding Your Audience's Language34:37 Navigating Internal Approval Processes36:32 Leveraging Customer Insights for Copywriting43:14 The Creative Process: From Inspiration to Execution48:34 Final Thoughts and Upcoming ProjectsShow Notes:The Reeder WebsiteReed between the lines podcastDevin’s LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Ever wondered how a band of misfits turned shared frustrations into a thriving podcast? In this episode, we’re sharing our origin story, revealing how they met, bonded over common pain points in the product marketing world, and turned candid conversations into a platform that challenges industry norms. Packed with spicy takes, behind-the-scenes laughs, and actionable advice, this episode is a testament to the power of finding your people and staying true to your vision. How PMM frustrations sparked the idea for the We're Not Marketers podcast.How we’ve turned banter and venting sessions into a thriving community.The secret to developing a contrarian yet authentic point of view.Why we stand out in a crowded product marketing landscape.Message testing and building a relatable brand voice.Tune in to discover why authenticity, fun, and a unique point of view are the ultimate game-changers.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction and Episode Context01:32 Meet the Hosts01:59 How We Met and Formed the Podcast02:34 The Organic Evolution of the Show04:13 Challenges and Dynamics of Product Marketing06:52 Developing a Unique Point of View09:46 Contrarian Perspectives and Testing Ideas12:57 The Role and Identity of Product Marketers21:11 Positioning and Future of Product Marketing24:23 Tattoos in the Workplace: A Changing Perspective25:09 Belief in Our Mission: Every Day Commitment26:08 Navigating Skepticism and Valuing Disagreement26:51 Embracing Learning and Marketing Communities30:04 The Freedom of Creative Expression35:03 The Importance of Fun in Work40:40 Stoic Wisdom and Final ThoughtsShow Notes:Navattic - State of the Interactive Demo 2025Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Are you ready to take the leap into fractional work?In this episode of We're Not Marketers, Gab, Zach, and Eric dive into the realities, challenges, and triumphs of betting on yourself as a fractional Product Marketing Manager (PMM). They explore:The mindset shifts required to succeed in a fractional career.Lessons learned from building your niche and refining your offer.How confidence, community, and obsession fuel success.Why intentional trade-offs and clear goals are the foundation for thriving as a solopreneur.From navigating imposter syndrome to celebrating small wins, this conversation is packed with practical tips and inspiring insights to help you find your footing and take control of your career.Whether you're a PMM considering the fractional path or a solopreneur looking to sharpen your approach, this episode offers the advice and encouragement you need to bet on yourself and thrive.🎧 Tune in now and discover why "no one is coming to save you"—and how that's the best news yet.Show Notes00:00 Introduction and Welcome00:27 Betting on Yourself: The Fractional Route01:15 Personal Experiences and Challenges02:42 Unlearning In-House Habits04:29 The Importance of Confidence and Mindset09:36 Sales and Client Management17:35 Intentional Trade-Offs and Financial Stability30:40 Evolving Your Process and Building Confidence31:34 Navigating Isolation and Finding Support33:24 Balancing Work and Personal Life34:43 Reframing Challenges and Embracing Growth39:05 The Power of Community and Shared Experiences43:48 Crafting Your Unique Offer and Building Foundations47:42 Obsession and Dedication: The Path to Success51:50 Final Thoughts and ReflectionsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
The more knowledge you have on product marketing, the better you can be an expert and have more impact on your job. Today, we’re having Peter Kortvel, a senior product marketer at Scandit and the creator of the product marketing newsletter (with 1700+ subscribers).Peter has worked as a video consultant, in startups, cofounded an IoT startup and today shows us what great product marketing should look like.He has 13+ years of experience as a marketer and believes in getting things done (we appreciate it too!). In this episode, we’re covering:The importance of understanding your target audienceWhy research can help you communicate your product valueThe difference between storytelling and the formatChallenges of PMMs and if they are marketersCommon startup mistakes in messagingThe best time to drink beerSo grab a beer with us and let’s chat product marketing 🫡Timespan:00:00 Welcome to We're Not Marketers00:55 Meet Our Guest: Peter Kortvel01:55 Diving into Product Marketing09:27 The Role of Research in Marketing14:19 Challenges in Startup Marketing23:49 The Role of Storytelling in Video Content24:38 Challenges of Storytelling in B2B Marketing26:08 Understanding the Audience's Problem28:18 The Importance of Clear Communication31:38 Creating Aha Moments in Marketing36:25 The Concept of Visual Cold Calling46:24 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsShow Notes:Peter’s LinkedInProduct Marketing NewsletterHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Making your mark as a founding PMM is very difficult, especially when the role itself has an identity crisis.That’s why we’ve asked three product marketers from our audience to join us to talk about their experience, and how to prove themselves valuable (especially when everything wants you to fail)This week, we’re inviting Shoshana Kordova, Aphrodite Brinsmead, and Elliott Rayner to discuss the multifaceted role of product marketingIn this special episode, we’re covering:The significance of clear messagingAI's potential for PMMsThe inherent identity crisis within our fieldStrategies for establishing effective product marketingThe necessity of a 30-60-90 day plan. This episode was made special because we’ve asked our listeners to join us and they accepted, so please, give us feedback and send us messages! We read everything 👀 (except if it’s outbound requests, then Eric will ban you immediately)Timestamps:01:39 Introducing the Guests05:01 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?07:34 AI in Product Marketing18:56 The Identity Crisis of Product Marketing23:14 Rebranding Product Marketing: A Controversial Move23:45 The Role of Founders in Early Product Marketing24:36 The Importance of Product Marketing in Today's Market26:18 Explaining Product Marketing Through Its Absence27:06 Challenges of Being a Founding Product Marketing Manager32:50 The 30-60-90 Day Plan Debate38:00 Selling the Value of Product Marketing46:02 Final Thoughts and Where to Find MoreShow Notes:Elliott LinkedInAphrodite LinkedInShoshana LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Episode Description:In this episode of We're Not Marketers, we’re diving deep with Rob Kaminski, one-half of the dynamic duo behind Fletch PMM. Rob’s journey is a masterclass in transitioning from a generalist’s toolkit to a hyper-focused niche, unlocking unparalleled expertise along the way.Together, we explore the unconventional path that led Rob and his co-founder Anthony Pierri to redefine positioning and messaging for early-stage SaaS companies, focusing on the all-important homepage.What you’ll learn:How to start building a market map and niche down effectively.Why being “too broad” can sabotage your positioning (and how to avoid it).The surprising power of debating with a partner to spark innovation.Why specificity is the ultimate superpower in product marketing.A behind-the-scenes look at Fletch’s process of refining their service and attracting their first 25 clients.And, hear Rob’s take on ‘how to position a platform’, specifically the same Q we asked April Dunford last month. Who’s answer will you like more: Rob’s or April’s? Whether you’re a product marketer looking to sharpen your craft, an aspiring fractional PMM, or just curious about what it takes to truly differentiate yourself in a crowded market, this episode is packed with insights, inspiration, and actionable advice.Tune in to hear Rob’s honest, no-holds-barred take on finding your focus and making it count.Show Notes 01:34 Introducing the Special Guest: Rob Kaminski02:32 Rob Kaminski's Career Journey04:36 The Role of Product Marketers06:25 Challenges in Product Marketing07:50 Importance of Execution in Strategy10:41 Navigating Internal Influence13:46 The Value of External Perspectives17:58 Building a Fractional Service19:57 Experimentation and Iteration24:14 Starting and Scaling a Fractional Business34:49 Cold Outreach and Building Expertise35:47 The Power of Niching Down37:51 Partnership Dynamics and Decision Making41:57 Creating Forcing Functions and Urgency43:51 The Importance of Specialization50:56 Positioning and Messaging Strategies59:42 Closing Thoughts and FarewellsHow to connect with RobRob Kaminski LinkedIn Profile FletchPMM websiteHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Ever felt like a misfit in product marketing? You’re not alone.In this episode of We’re Not Marketers, hosts Gab, Zach, and Eric dive deep into a hot topic for PMMs: discovering and honing your unique superpower to stand out in your role. Whether you're a product marketing veteran or new to the field, this conversation is packed with timeless advice, relatable stories, and strategies to help you identify your strengths and position yourself effectively.What’s Inside This Episode?Self-discovery exercises for PMMs: From creating a “win list” to identifying transferable skills.Positioning yourself for success: Why knowing your competitive strength is key for landing the right roles.Experimentation is key: How trying different PMM functions (like pricing or messaging) can reveal your passions.Practical tools: Use energy-mapping techniques to uncover the tasks that fuel your motivation and career growth.Standing out in the crowd: Why specializing in a niche or showcasing your work is a game-changer.Confidence and mindset: The power of affirmations and self-belief in defining and owning your PMM identity.Who’s This Episode For?Startup PMMs and fractional product marketers in B2B SaaS who’re looking to differentiate themselves and feel unignorable in their roles.Key Takeaway:Your superpower isn’t just a skill—it’s how you position yourself and align your passions with business needs. Stop blending in and start standing out by owning your unique value.Show Notes00:00 Introduction and Welcome01:01 Casual Banter and Golf Talk01:49 Understanding Your PMM Role02:26 Personal Experiences in Product Marketing03:33 Finding Your Competitive Strength04:48 Exploring Different Aspects of PMM06:57 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome07:51 Leveraging Your Superpower09:34 Practical Advice for PMMs14:29 The Importance of Confidence23:24 Final Thoughts and ConclusionSponsorZach Messler with Clarityrules.comHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In this next episode of We're Not Marketers, hosts Zach, Gab, and Eric are joined by Rahim Kaba, Director and Research Analyst at Gartner, to dive into the evolving role of PMM in B2B SaaS. With over 20 years of experience in the field, Rahim shares data with perspective on the function and challenges that come with it today. Key highlights include:- The Core Identity of Product Marketers: Rahim argues that product marketers are unequivocally marketers, backed by data showing 81% of PMMs report directly to marketing teams.- Shifting Expectations and Responsibilities: Learn about the changing scope of product marketing, from content creation roles to strategic leaders in positioning and storytelling.- Strategic Insights on Launch Cadences: Rahim discusses the importance of aligning release cycles with customer adoption capabilities and how to avoid launch fatigue.- Must-Have PMM Skills: Emphasis on the significance of data literacy, with tips on upskilling and resources like the Data Literacy Project.- Build Internal Influence: Best practices to clarify PMM roles through charters and RACI models to strengthen cross-functional alignment.The conversation also touches on the growth of fractional product marketers, the implications of market trends, and advice on how PMMs can elevate their strategic influence internally.Whether you're a seasoned product marketer or just starting out, this episode is packed with practical tips, valuable research insights (umm Gartner, bro), and a clear roadmap to reinforce PMM’s impact in any company. Tune in for a ‘deep-sea of research’ dive of how PMMs can thrive in today's competitive landscape.Time Stamps 02:11 Rahim's Background and Role at Gartner03:15 Are Product Marketers Really Marketers?07:06 Challenges and Misunderstandings in Product Marketing09:51 The Evolution of Product Marketing14:56 Data Literacy in Product Marketing18:12 Impact of Layoffs on Product Marketing21:04 Rise of Fractional Product Marketers23:46 Specialization in Product Marketing25:28 The Appeal of Fractional Product Marketing27:06 Challenges and Strategies for PMMs28:49 Effective Product Launch Strategies33:22 Balancing Product and Marketing Priorities34:44 The Role of PMMs in Organizations38:06 Building a Product Marketing Charter44:16 Using Gartner InsightsWhere more to follow and connect with Rahim?Rahim Kaba LinkedIn Gartner Time to Value PodcastGartner for High Tech LinkedIn PageFree Gartner Webinar Recording: How Growth Organizations Source Critical PMM SkillsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
The role of the PMM is evolving and requires us to always adapt and be knowledgeable on new tech and initiatives. It can make a difference between a product marketer who is valuable and stack influence vs. someone who’s on the layoff list.Someone who keeps pushing the limit of practical product marketing and leveraging projects short-cuts to ship more is Jess Petrella, Senior Product Marketing Manager (PMM) at ZayZoon, and she has an amazing take on becoming an efficient PMM.We discussed how AI can enhance the PMMs' capacity to analyze data and analyze opportunities, the importance of proximity with product teams, and the skills necessary for PMMs to co-create product roadmaps. The episode provides practical advice for aspiring PMMs and reflects on how to navigate better the challenges of the profession, from someone who just built the function from scratch. We talk about:Use AI for quicker data synthesis and opportunity analysisBuild advocacy skills to align with other teamsStrengthen connections with product teamsCollaborate on roadmaps to grow your roleGain skills to impact product decisionsSimplify tasks with AI to increase outputDiscover how you can build more influence as a PMM with the help of AI! Timespan:01:04 Discussing Product Marketing and Launches02:16 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?03:15 The Evolution of Product Marketing05:21 Building Influence as a Product Marketer17:43 Leveraging AI in Product Marketing28:53 Conclusion and FarewellShow Notes:Jess LinkedInhttps://pmmops.com/Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
The worst thing about being a PMM is not having to launch a new product within 2 weeks, or drowning in sales decks. It’s all sharing the same trauma that people don’t understand product marketing. We’ve seen a lot of movement on LinkedIn about PMMs sharing horror stories. Michele Nieberding even did a talk about it at PMA Boston.And we were lucky enough to have her sharing them on the pod, just in time for Halloween 💀 our FAVORITE HOLIDAY 🎃Michele, the director of product marketing at MetaRouter, spent almost a decade in product marketing and loves Halloween, we’re talking about:Combining new brands, products and segmentsFreemium to ScreemiumFailed launches and disastrous rebrandsProduct enforcement gone wrongA bunch of jokes and fun thingsStart feeling better about your role and discover horror stories for PMMs that would scare even ghouls and ghosts!Timespan:00:00 Introduction and Sponsorship01:02 Meet the Hosts01:28 Special Guest Introduction03:20 PMM Horror Stories: Introduction06:42 Horror Story 1: The Freemium Nightmare14:01 Horror Story 2: Enforcing Usage Limits19:30 The Sleep Sack Nightmare21:10 Customer Perspective on Luxury Baby Products22:03 Manufacturing and Packaging Woes24:26 A College Business Competition Fiasco25:54 The Real Estate App Pricing Disaster30:44 The Rebranding and Product Launch Debacle37:29 Closing Thoughts and FarewellShow Notes:Michele’s LinkedInHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
For PMMs, it can be difficult to have a good relationship with sales, especially in new roles. Win-loss analysis and interviews can be a good win when you see that close-lost column piling up on the CRM pipeline.But how can you take another responsibility on your to-do when you’re already swamped?Matthew Reeves, CEO and co-founder of GoldPan, runs a win-loss analysis agency. In this episode, he’s showing us:How to build rapport with sales teamsThe complexities of positioning and messagingWhy you need both wins and losses for good research. Why information overload kill sales. The nuanced value of churn analysis. Hear also the very unique take of Matthew on if product marketers are marketers, we can’t say we heard this one yet!Timespan:00:00 Welcome to We're Not Marketers00:19 Introducing Matthew Reeves, CEO of GoldPan01:37 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?02:49 The Evolution and Challenges of Marketing12:21 The Importance of Win-Loss Analysis21:31 Building Rapport Between Product Marketers and Sales34:25 Sales Missteps and Buyer Uncertainty34:59 Understanding Product Assessment35:34 The Role of Risk and Values in Buying Decisions37:01 Challenges in Product Marketing37:48 The Importance of Win-Loss Analysis38:39 Switching Costs and Product Marketing40:34 Effective Sales Messaging43:14 The Buyer-Seller Dynamic50:06 The Value of Churn Analysis54:29 Bad Sales Experiences01:01:33 Closing Thoughts and Future PlansShow Notes:Matthew’s LinkedInGoldpan websiteHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Get ready for some real talk about positioning! In this episode, we sit down with the queen of positioning herself, April Dunford. If your startup’s positioning feels a little “mushy” or your product is getting compared to everyone under the sun, this episode is for you. April shares her no-nonsense approach to tightening up your message and teaching your CEO why positioning isn’t just some abstract marketing concept—it’s the foundation of your success. Whether you’re battling internal buy-in or figuring out how to stand out in a crowded market, April’s got the answers (plus a few hilarious takes on toilets and camping). Here’s what you’re missing, by not listening:Is your product positioning “mushy”? Learn why vague messaging is killing your pitch—and how to fix it.The secret weapon for startups: April’s advice on involving sales and product teams in positioning.Why “actionable insights” aren’t really actionable: How to cut the jargon and speak your customer's language.CEO thinks their product positioning is fine? April’s roadmap to making them see the problem—without calling their baby ugly.Positioning vs. features: Why selling value over features is your ultimate key to success.Show Notes00:00 Introduction and Sponsor Message01:05 Meet the Hosts and Guest Introduction01:39 April Dunford on Product Marketing03:25 The Role of Positioning in Startups09:17 Building Influence as a Product Marketer23:27 Fun and Games with April Dunford34:26 Discovering Catan: A Board Game Revelation35:00 Building Dreams: Choosing the Perfect Cottage Location36:10 Torture Chamber Round: Birds or Stars?38:42 The Cardinal Sins of Product Positioning43:33 Selling Platforms: Value Over Features01:00:17 The Art of Persuasive Writing in Marketing01:04:52 Career Advice for Product Marketers01:11:01 Engage with April Dunford: Books, Podcasts, and MoreResourcesApril Dunford LinkedInApril Dunford websiteApril Dunford’s Positioning Podcast Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Dealing with the chaos of being a PMM while trying to balance the rest of your life? You’re not alone.In this candid episode of We're Not Marketers, Zach, Eric, and Gab dive into the realities of managing life as a Product Marketing Manager, whether you're in-house or fractional. From overwhelming work expectations to the struggle of balancing personal life, the team discusses how to protect your mental health while handling an always-on work culture. They share personal stories, tips like setting boundaries, removing work apps from phones, and practical advice on how to deal with burnout. If you're feeling the strain of managing your career, relationships, and self-care, this episode is a must-listen.Key takeaways include:Strategies to create separation between work and personal time (e.g., daily rituals, setting boundaries, Slack detox).Real-talk about burnout and why mental health shouldn’t be just a “corporate benefit.”Practical tips on saying “no” to unrealistic requests and protecting your productivity.How fractional PMMs handle the pressure of multiple clients while in-house PMMs navigate endless internal demands.Tune in to hear the team's perspectives on how to reclaim balance and stay sane as a PMM.Show Notes00:00 Introduction and Sponsor Message01:02 The Challenges of Being a Product Marketer02:22 In-House vs. Fractional Product Marketing04:45 Balancing Work and Personal Life07:41 Setting Boundaries and Mental Health22:02 Productivity Tips and Techniques30:50 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In this episode of We're Not Marketers, we sit down with the one and only Jeff Chase, Director of Brand and Product Marketing at Vitally.io, who drops a major hot take—product marketers aren’t marketers (wait, what?!). But Jeff doesn’t stop there. He believes PMMs are the future leaders of marketing, and he’s got the experience and insights to back it up.Tune in as we dive into the evolving role of product marketers in B2B SaaS. From positioning and messaging to why PMMs have the potential to become CMOs, Jeff shares his journey and unique approach to blending product and brand marketing. We also tackle the age-old question: how can PMMs build better relationships with their brand teams?Whether you're a PMM ready to shake up your organization or just curious about where this role is headed, this convo is one you don’t want to miss:PMMs vs. Marketers: Jeff’s surprising take on why product marketers aren’t really marketers.The Future CMO Pipeline: Why Jeff believes product marketers are primed to become the next generation of marketing leaders.The Art of Brand Storytelling: How product marketers can elevate their influence by mastering brand marketing collaboration.Hiring Hacks: Jeff’s refreshing approach to recruitment, and why he believes hiring managers have a deeper responsibility than you think.Copycats Beware: How to stay a step ahead of competitors who love to swipe your messaging.Time Stamps 00:00 Introduction and Host Intros00:56 Special Guest Introduction: Jeff02:02 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?04:35 The Future of Product Marketing08:55 Building Cross-Functional Relationships10:48 The Role of Brand Marketing14:30 Hiring and Leadership Insights36:21 Dealing with Competitors43:46 Conclusion and Sign-OffShow NotesJeff Chase LinkedIn ProfileHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
In this episode, Jarod Greene, CMO of Vivint, shares his journey from teaching middle school math to Gartner analyst to CMO today and offers actionable advice for PMMs struggling to gain recognition. Learn how to use research, co-create with sales, and communicate your value to drive impactful product marketing strategies in your workplace.When you let Jarod cook (#lethimcook) and you’re gonna get…How teaching 7th graders prepared Jarod to lead B2B marketing strategy—and why it’s still the hardest job he’s ever done.The “magician” role of product marketers: Why being a chameleon is the ultimate superpower in your company (and how to harness it).Co-create with sales? Yes, please. The surprising reason your best sales reps should help write your next piece of content.Forget the committee—Jarod’s trick to stop internal fights over messaging using the one thing no one can argue with: Data.“I had no idea what PMM was 10 years ago” – how Jarod went from confused to CMO and why it could be your career roadmap too.Content without context = chaos. Jarod’s formula for why great content flops (and how to make it land every time).How to manage up, down, and sideways: Jarod’s guide to becoming a leader before you even get the title.Time Stamps 00:00 We're Not Marketers (S3) - Jarod Greene01:00 Welcome to Season Three!01:46 Introducing Gerard Green03:01 From Teaching to Marketing05:15 The Role of Product Marketers07:15 Becoming a CMO18:03 Content with Context22:19 Co-Creating with Sales28:20 The Content Production Dilemma29:07 The Importance of Research in Marketing30:27 Primary vs. Secondary Research31:22 Leveraging Data for Decision Making39:43 Integrating AI in Marketing Strategies43:34 The Reality of Product Market Fit51:21 Upcoming Projects and EventsShow NotesJarod Greene LinkedIn ProfileUNXPCTD - Explore way AI is revolutionizing B2B Sales Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
There are many different flavors of product marketers, whether you’re in-house or fractional like our host, you need to be aware of your special sauce 😉The product marketing function is becoming more and more nuanced, so you need to know what you are good at and why these special skills matter with your expertise and work environment.Megan Pratt went from senior PMM to director of PMM and was one step away from a VP position before she decided to go full-time as a fractional PMM.Today, she’s coaching product marketers and helping companies as a fractional PMM. In this episode, we’re covering:Misconceptions we have about going fractionalHow to find your secret sauce as a PMMHow to educate prospects on product marketingLearn how to say no without saying noBuilding your pipeline as a consultantCommon gaps in product marketingSo join us, whether you’re a fractional, or in-house hire, and learn about a true expert on how to say no.Timespan:00:00 Introduction and Hosts' Banter01:14 Introducing Special Guest Megan Pratt06:09 The Value of Product Marketing21:26 Personal Insights and Career Growth26:25 Transition to Fractional Work26:31 Challenges and Misconceptions of Going Fractional30:48 Messaging Best Practices31:13 Clarifying Roles and Responsibilities32:23 Setting Boundaries in Freelancing33:42 The Importance of Saying No36:34 Building a Freelance Pipeline50:56 Common Gaps in Product Marketing59:42 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsShow Notes:Product Marketing HouseMegan’s LinkedInHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
After 29 episodes, we’re finally closing down our season 2 and we’re taking this opportunity to circle back on why PMMs are misunderstood today in B2B SaaS.
Being misunderstood isn’t the problem, it’s the apathy from colleagues and management regarding our roles and responsibilities. But we should be proud of being misfits because it’s our uniqueness that can have a real impact on our jobs. All we need is more influence and less apathy.
In this episode, we’re going back on why we started the pod, how we’re researching our market, find new episode topics, and a special way on how you can be on the pod for upcoming seasons:
→ The key takeaways from this season that every PMM should know
→ Our thoughts on the future of Product Marketing and what’s on the horizon
→ What is the misfit madness and how can you be a special guest
Tune in for the last time of season 2, and enjoy a monthly break of not hearing us talk about product marketing 🙃Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timeline:00:17 - Meet Emma Stratton: Life Coach and Messaging Expert03:03 - Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?06:45 - Embracing the Misfit Identity in Product Marketing12:15 - Handling Messaging Challenges and CEO Fears21:05 - Transitioning to Entrepreneurship: When is the Right Time?26:50 - Work-Life Harmony: Balancing Energy Drainers and Energizers32:35 - Avoiding Company Politics and Aligning Teams38:15 - Real-life Example: Messaging for an Australian Data Company45:07 - Emma’s Upcoming Book: Make It Punchy47:10 - Torture Chamber Game: Cringey Marketing Terms55:00 - Final Thoughts and Staying Connected with Emma Show Notes:Emma's book: Make It Punchy: How to Write Simple Tech Messaging That Wins Hearts, Minds, and Markets (Pre-order now)Punchy messaging newsletterFollow Emma Stratton on LinkedInHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:01:36 PMM jobs and LinkedIn trends.03:00 Discussion about job application experiences and interview etiquette.05:00 Gab shares a story about a go-to-market assignment.08:00 Eric shares a story about interviewing with a competitor.12:00 Zach shares a story about a poor recruiting experience.16:00 Eric discusses a job that ended up being a bad fit.19:00 Discussion on hiring practices and candidate experiences.22:00 Importance of clear expectations and roles in hiring.24:00 The value of specific hiring criteria and trust in the hiring process.27:00 The benefits of private communities for job searching.30:00 Gab's experience with irrelevant job postings.33:00 Eric and Zach discuss the value of consulting and contracting as a career approach.36:00 Final thoughts on hiring practices and candidate experience.40:00 Additional anecdotes and reflections on job search experiences.45:00 Tips for navigating the PMM job market.50:00 Closing remarks and promotions for the newsletter and sponsors.52:00 Outro and end of episode. Show Notes: Inc Authority (LLC Formation)Exit Five CommunityHealthy Competition CommunityHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps00:43 Introducing of Julien Sauvage01:57 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?06:41 The Role of Boldness in Marketing14:06 Event Branding Success at Clari17:17 The Einstein Smart Speaker Flop20:24 Reflecting on Dreamforce's Gimmicks22:38 The Importance of Data in Product Marketing24:43 Challenges and Realities of PMM30:31 The Role of Copywriting in PMM38:59 Final Thoughts and Farewell Show Notes :Julien’s LinkedInContent That Converts guide (by Devin Reed)Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps1:00: Introduction of Pat Wall5:00: Role of product marketers7:00: CI and product marketing8:30: Evolution of CI in Pat's career10:00: Building a CI program13:00: Effective sales enablement15:00: Internal branding17:00: "Torture Chamber" game20:00: Engaging sales teams24:00: Impactful enablement sessions26:00: Leveraging top performers28:00: Integrating CI and product marketing30:00: Tips for building a CI program32:00: Pat’s future projects34:00: Thank you and closing remarks Show NotesPat’s LinkedInHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:00:52 Discussing Target Audience01:40 Horror Stories of Target Audience05:14 Challenges in Messaging and Segmentation14:23 Examples of Poor Market Segmentation21:49 Effective Segmentation Strategies32:15 The Power of Storytelling34:35 Understanding Your Audience38:19 Innovative Research Techniques Show Notes:Mercury EqualsArc BrowserFigmaDevin ReedClayton ChristensenOur websiteHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:0:00 The one word most miss in "product marketing" with Becky Trevino00:16 Introduction and Hosts Banter01:08 Introducing Special Guest Becky Trevino01:55 Becky's Career Journey and Unique Perspective02:49 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?05:05 Defining Product Market Fit07:44 Product Marketing Superpowers10:12 The Art of Storytelling in Product Marketing15:31 Torture Chamber: Tough Choices in Product Strategy19:08 Should Product Marketing Live Within Product?22:38 Building Strong Relationships with Product Managers23:09 Navigating New Challenges in a New Role24:50 Leading Commercial Reviews and Gaining Respect26:03 Balancing Technical and Marketing Perspectives27:55 The Role of AI in Product Marketing33:33 Balancing Present Offerings with Future Roadmaps Show Notes:Becky Trevino LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:01:05 Dave's Journey and Podcasting Tips04:18 The Importance of Product Marketing06:16 Early Stage Marketing Strategies13:29 Building Trust and Influence in Startups20:24 Positioning and Messaging Challenges24:42 Addressing the Decline in Win Rate25:24 Importance of Executing Positioning25:57 Casual Conversation and Personal Interests26:58 Messaging Torture Chamber27:31 Marketing Strategies: Brand vs. Content29:14 Event Marketing Insights30:59 Simplifying B2B Marketing34:38 The Role of Podcasts in B2B Marketing41:23 Conclusion and Upcoming Events Show Notes:Founder BrandDave LinkedInDave Kellog BlogExit Five CommunityThe Exit Five PodcastHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps00:20 Guest Introduction: Anna Borbotko06:17 TomTom's Evolution and Market Strategy10:25 Challenges and Strategies in Enterprise Product Marketing12:48 Cold Outreach Pilot Program16:27 Enterprise vs. Startup Dynamics18:30 The Evolution of Software Buying19:13 Challenges in the Automotive Industry19:32 Simplifying the Buying Process20:47 Sales and Buyer Enablement23:25 Marketing's Role in Buyer Enablement26:15 The Importance of Effective Collateral29:44 The Torture Chamber33:17 Anna's Initiatives and Final Thoughts Show Notes:Anna’s LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:00:00 Introduction and Host Introductions01:18 The Importance of Training in Product Marketing01:54 Identifying Unique Superpowers07:18 The Value of Formal Education and Certifications16:42 Applying Knowledge in Real-World Scenarios19:41 Leveraging Data Analytics in Product Marketing26:13 Continuous Learning and Networking33:01 Conclusion and Newsletter Promotion Show Notes:Million Dollar ConsultingYi Lin Pei’s The PMM Dream Job Blueprint Ready for LaunchB2B Messaging CourseYerba MATTTEEEEEEHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps00:00 Introduction and Host Intros01:07 Meet Our Guest: Carlota Guell03:28 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?08:18 B2B vs B2C Marketing Insights20:36 The Emotional Buying Pyramid24:22 Fun Lightning Round with Carlota26:43 Closing Remarks and Where to Find Carlota Show NotesProduct Marketing Stories podcastCarlota Guell's LinkedIn profile Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:00:00 Welcome to the Misfit Podcast: Unveiling the World of Product Marketing00:16 Special Guest Harvey Lee: From Business to Rockstar01:45 The Great Debate: Are Marketers Really Marketers?05:14 A Dive into Marketing History with the McElroy Memo12:01 The Evolution of Product Marketing in the Digital Age18:43 Navigating the Pathways to Becoming a Full Stack Marketer21:45 The Journey from Sales, CS, to Product Marketing: A Comparative Analysis26:42 Debunking Marketing Myths: Beyond 'Build It and They Will Come'27:58 The Importance of Marketing Training and Accessibility28:51 Harvey's Journey: Leaving PMA and Embracing Advisory Roles34:16 The Power of Fit in Hiring and Career Growth38:29 Mastering Product Marketing: Skills, Training, and Community41:13 Harvey Lee's Insights: Full Stack Marketing and Beyond44:16 Connecting with Harvey Lee: Books, Awards, and More Show Notes: Below the Waterline NewsletterGet his book Backstage PassHarvey's WebsiteHarvey's LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Show Notes0:00 Standing tall in a "layoff-heavy" PMM job market w/ Yi Lin Pei00:00 Welcome to the Misfit Podcast: Unveiling Product Marketing Mysteries00:17 Introducing Yi Lin Pei: From Visual Artist to Product Marketing Pro03:03 The Unique Role of Product Marketers: Strategists, Not Just Marketers06:07 Mastering Product Marketing: Strategies for Success and Growth10:15 The Torture Chamber Game: Tough Choices for a Product Marketer21:05 Navigating Layoffs: Yi Lin's Perspective and Support for PMMs21:39 Navigating the Challenging Job Market: Strategies and Insights22:51 Differentiation in Job Applications: Standing Out in a Competitive Market23:37 Career Switching Advice: Embracing Stepping Stone Roles24:45 Personal Success Stories: Leveraging Unique Backgrounds for Career Advancement27:15 The Importance of Differentiation Throughout the Hiring Process32:03 Advocacy and Representation: Addressing Underrepresentation in Tech38:35 Leadership and Advocacy: Supporting Underrepresented Groups in the Workplace44:07 Yi Lin's PMM Superpower and Final Thoughts Resources:Courageous Careers NewsletterPositioning for Growth podcastYi Lin Pei LinkedInHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:00:00 Welcome to Season 2: The Unforgettable Comeback00:55 The Big Reveal: Why We Faked Our Podcast's Death02:59 Emotional Engagement and Its Impact05:22 The Aftermath: Listener Reactions and Personal Reflections12:53 Introducing the Newsletter: A New Way to Engage15:52 The Misfit Community: Engaging with Our Audience17:17 Kicking Off with Casual Banter17:48 Deep Dive into Emotional Engagement20:02 Exploring Product Marketing Challenges24:58 Personal Growth and Professional Evolution27:05 Embracing the Consulting Journey33:06 Wrapping Up and Looking Forward Show notes:We’re Not Marketers WebsiteDying 4 Influence NewsletterRuben Studdard’s Sorry 2004Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:01:45 WNM origin story05:40 How we came up with the name14:00 The skeleton branding26:09 Consistency and humor in our marketing31:28 Consistency in podcasting34:43 Our differentiation and favorite guests48:10 Survey results with Adam McQueen from Klue01:03:14 Final verdict and end of the podcast? Show Notes:The original We’re Not Marketers postAdam McQueen LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:01:39 The role of product marketing in the B2B landscape03:14 Why website ownership and conversion rates matter for PMMs04:42 Challenges and strategies to be aware when managing website messaging06:52 The evolution and future of message testing07:22 CEO's Role as a product Marketer in Startups09:53 Why messaging is underestimated in B2B13:05 Message testing and market trends16:24 Advices for solo PMM on messaging19:38 How to improve your message clarity and relevance20:56 How to leverage customer feedback with your messaging24:29 How Peep is building influence and engaging on LinkedIn26:43 What makes Spryng different from other B2B events29:42 The Messaging Torture Chamber34:19 Where to find Peep and learn more from him Show Notes:WynterHemingway AppSales Pitch by April DunfordB2B Messaging courseSpryng event Peep LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:02:47 Clara's Journey into Competitive Intelligence03:45 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?05:10 The Role of Competitive Intelligence in Revenue Generation08:01 The Importance of Being Selfless in Product Marketing10:33 Ideal Structure for Competitive Intelligence13:02 Misconceptions about Competitive Intelligence16:22 The Power of Competitive Intelligence Newsletters19:21 Building a Content Creation Team21:31 Investing in Competitive Intelligence25:23 The Evolution of Competitive Intelligence28:20 Handling Internal Requests and Prioritizing Competitors34:00 Special Projects and Where to Find Clara Show Notes:Clara LinkedIn Back Office to Boardroom SpotifyBack Office to Boardroom Apple PodcastsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps: 01:30 Zach Messler's Background and Journey03:20 The Big Question: Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?09:26 Zach's Philosophy and Approach to Marketing18:27 The Importance of Clarity in Messaging20:11 The Hierarchy of Clarity24:56 The Power of Context in Messaging30:31 The Importance of Context in Problem-Solution Approach31:44 The Role of Product Marketers and Its Challenges32:28 Strategies to Enhance Product Marketing Role33:12 The Power of Negotiation in Product Marketing37:31 The Impact of Trade Shows in Product Marketing39:52 The Art of Messaging in Product Marketing48:23 The Essence of Product Messaging Show notes:Zach LinkedIn Never split the difference by Christopher VossClarity RulesHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:00:24 The Importance of Data in Marketing05:12 Effective Storytelling with Data07:20 The Power of Positioning and Market Insight11:57 The Balance Between Creativity and Metrics16:42 The Challenges of Data Analytics in Product Marketing21:17 Measuring Podcasts for Thought Leadership24:00 The Problem of Instant Gratification28:20 The Importance of Balance in Growth31:26 The Role of Data in Guiding Initiatives33:21 The Power of Gut Feeling and Hard Work Show Notes:April Dunford Positioning PodcastFletchPMM Notion CheatsheetDevin Reed LinkedInProductivePMM Notion HubHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:01:37: Transitioning from non-profit to tech2:02: Collin's background as a preacher up to product marketing4:47: Are product marketers actually marketers?7:32: Collin's approach as a founding PMM09:32: Defining product marketing in a new role11:16: The importance of building relationships12:29: Balancing short-term and long-term goals14:30: Leadership in product marketing16:25: The importance of building credibility18:12: Setting boundaries and building respect21:11: The rule of reciprocity in product marketing23:51: Sharing and building credibility 27:38: Lightning round Show Notes:Collin LinkedInHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:01:02: Madison's journey to product marketing02:11: Transitioning from B2C to B2B02:58: Madison's current role and GTM strategy passion05:37: Are product marketers actually marketers?07:56: The disconnect between marketing and sales12:11: The role of product marketing in Go-to-market18:07: Building trust and influencing change in organizations22:47: The shift from B2B to PLG32:39: Where to find Madison and learn more about her workShow Notes:Madison LinkedInSaaS Secrets newsletterHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:01:17: Eric's layoff experience04:12: Zach's layoff experience10:24: The state of layoffs and product marketing in the US12:34: Taking the solopreneur road after being laid off14:00: The stress of the first 90 days as a PMM15:53: Specialist vs. generalist PMM18:27: How to position yourself as a PMM and be memorable22:31: How can you make your next job search a success Show Notes:Emma Stratton LinkedInProduct Marketing Alliance Salary ReportPersonal Positioning from Tamara GrominskyPractical Positioning Guide from Jess PetrellaTealHQ.com - CRM for job searchStillhiring.today - Job boardLavender AI - How to write great email to hiring managersAligned - Digital Salesroom to showcase your workHealthy Competition - CI CommunityPMMCamp - Product Marketing Community Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:04:14: Are product marketers actually marketers?08:15: What is easier: being a generalist PMM or a specialist like in CI?12:05: Is it easier being in competitive intelligence than product marketing?15:03: Does category creation matter in competitive intelligence?19:30: Biggest mistakes you can make on competitive intel24:20: How to command respect as a PMM28:12: How to break into CI as a PMM38:35: Where to find and learn more about Andy Show Notes:Andy LinkedInHealthy Competition LinkedInHealthy CompetitionReady for launch {March Cohort} Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:00:54: Are product marketers actually marketers?02:26: PMM would be terrible CMOs03:36: The ideal reporting structure for product marketers05:21: How to create good product marketing fundamentals09:00: Balancing strategy and execution15:44: How much important is copywriting for PMMs?18:53: Defining product marketing within your organization23:04: Category creation and Tamara’s take24:41: Evaluating a product marketing role Show Notes:PMMCampReady for launch {March Cohort}:Tamara's LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Timestamps:00:55 - How PMMs should drive revenue05:46 - The focus on leads vs. the focus on revenue08:18 - How to make sure PMMs drive revenue10:45 - Why stakeholders don't understand the impact of messaging16:16 - Balancing strategic projects with tactics as a PMM22:46 - How to manage ongoing requests27:38 - How to enforce a research phase on strategic projects31:50 - How to help change priorities internally35:46 - What to do if you're doing more lead gen than revenue capture? Show notes:Olivine and Winter - B2B Messaging Course Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Anthony LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonypierri/FletchPMM Website: https://www.fletchpmm.com/Fletch Notion Database: https://buy.stripe.com/fZeeYe1tBc2C37y3ctGood Hangs Spotify Timestamps01:41 - How Anthony predict if a client project will go well02:21 - Why referrals don't work for FletchPMM03:41 - Anthony LinkedIn GTM strategy and how they attract clients06:50 - Are product marketers, actually marketers?09:33 - VCs without marketing background are shaping bad homepage messaging18:35 - How FletchPMM works with in-house marketing teams21:16 - Why is there so much bad messaging in B2B marketing24:30 - The Beachhead Approach for your homepage28:15 - How to find and connect with AnthonyHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Jason LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oakleyjason/PMM Files Website: https://pmmfiles.com/The Productive PMM Website: https://productivepmm.com/Ready for Launch Course: https://maven.com/course-crew/readyforlaunch Timestamps:02:08 Are PMMs actually marketers?03:43 The biggest challenge of founding PMMs at early-stage startups05:38 How to prioritize to be a more productive PMM15:34 Why Jason started ProductivePMM18:56 Important skills of founding PMMs23:47 The fundamentals of product marketing and how they back up strategy and execution26:46 Most common pitfalls for product launches32:14 Where to find Jason and to get more information Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
Most PMMs feel sellers don’t do what they tell ’em. Ears fume after listening to a random customer call recording because a sales rep decided not to stay on message. Sellers feel no different about PMMs.90% of sales and marketing professionals point to several disconnects across strategy, process, content, and culture. (LinkedIn, 2020). It’s astounding! How can two professions, most focused on the customer persona, stand at odds like Will Ferrell & John C. Reilly in 2008’s Stepbrothers?in this next episode, our co-hosts speak on the most common challenges between marketing and sales teams. How to navigate those dynamics to be a better friend to sellers that PMs can’t get from any product roadmap. And, the co-hosts share tips you can use to foster instant karma points with your selling partners. Time Stamps:00:16 Introduction and Discussion on Marketing and Sales Silos01:11 The Challenges of Being a Solo Marketer in a Startup01:31 The Misunderstanding of Product Marketing’s Role02:45 Sales Leaders’ Perspective on Marketing and Sales Goals04:19 Strategies to Elevate Authority with Sales05:02 The Importance of Crafting Effective Messaging06:59 The Role of Product Marketing in Assisting Sales10:50 The Value of Repetition and Persistence in Marketing11:35 The Struggles and Solutions in Sales Enablement13:50 Conclusion: Breaking Down Silos and Building Team ComraderyHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
This podcast episode centers around the challenges faced by product marketing managers in conducting their jobs and ensuring their roles are correctly understood in their respective organizations.Our three co-hosts share personal experiences and frustrations, highlighting issues such as being undervalued in strategic processes, difficulty in role definition, job insecurity, and the need for having a centralized decision-maker in positioning and messaging.They discuss the growing specializations in product marketing and highlight the urgency for product marketers to align their interests and job expectations with these evolving roles. Our co-hosts also highlight the upcoming ‘product marketing superstar’ guests who’ll be in later episodes to share their experience and expertise in being rockstar PMMs. Sections:0:00 How to fortify the value as a PMM in your org when you’re at your wits end.00:28 Why prior experience matters to how you view product marketing01:33 Why we wanted to create this podcast, in the first place.03:15 Learning from PMMs, a few steps ahead of you.05:05 Future of PMM and sense of belonging in your career todayHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.
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